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The Mayan Code

Kelly Howell: Welcome back to Theater of the Mind, your host Kelly Howell. OK, to kick off the New Year, we're going on a deep exploration into the Mayan Calendar; time acceleration and the evolution of human consciousness.
In the coming weeks, we'll have a number of experts coming on the show to share their views, theories, and revelations on the real meaning and purpose of the Mayan Calendar.
My guest today is Barbara Hand Clow; author of the Mayan Code: Time Acceleration and the Awakening of the World Mind. Barbara is a Mayan elder, Cherokee recordkeeper and ceremonial teacher. She's written 10 books, many of which I've read and love, like the Alchemy of Nine Dimensions, The Pleiadian Agenda, Quiron and Catastrophobia.
Barbara also holds workshops in preparation for this momentous time in history.
Welcome, Barbara.
Barbara Hand Clow: Hi, thanks Kelly, good to be here.
Howell: Oh, it's great to have you here. I have a very dogeared copy of your book, The Mayan Code, and really don't know where to begin with it actually.
Clow: I know, it's quite a topic, isn't it?
Howell: It certainly is. Well, I thought maybe we could just
Clow: The culminating work on top of everything else, so it's a big field.
Howell: It's a huge field. And I thought we could just start with the basics of the purpose of the Mayan Calendar and why this legacy is so important for the world to know about right now.
Clow: Right. Well, first of all, regarding the Mayan Calendar, there are a lot of people right now who are really working on what it means and when it ends, and all that. There are little controversies going on. And in my case, I was a publisher of a lot of the Mayan Calendar material, and I've also written quite extensively over a number of years.
And so then in 2005, I came to the conclusion that the person who's really figured this out is the Swedish biologist Carl Johan Calleman. So what I did at that point was I took Carl Calleman's pieces about human evolution and evolution in the universe in relationship to the Mayan Calendar.
And then I wrote a book which integrated that concept with all of the other material that I've already written, because for me, what this man had discovered was like the final key in the lock that finally put it all together.
Howell: Now, because of your book I read his book, and he'll be coming on the show too, so.
Clow: Wonderful.
Howell: Yeah, it's brilliant.
Clow: Yeah, yeah. So it was one of those points in life, which actually I didn't expect to get to where everything will come together. Maybe it'll all unravel for me later, I don't know. But I am enjoying I've been enjoying a really wonderful two years of feeling like I've brought in the teaching that I was supposed I was after all, trained as a child to bring in a very big teaching by my grandfather.
And I always wondered if I'd actually achieve that, and I have at this point, and it is feels really good.
Howell: It came through to me in the book; it just felt like you had a huge download that had been waiting for a long time to come through.
Clow: True, that's true, yeah.
Howell: Yeah. So would you like it talk about the Mayan Calendar, what the purpose of it is for people that maybe don't know that it's far more than a calendar?
Clow: Yeah, first of all, the Mayan Calendar itself is a collection of dates and information that Mayan scholars have gathered over the last 150 years. And if we go back to the early days of Mayan Calendar research, people found different dates and different symbols and glyphs all over Mayan land, and all kinds of stela, which are carved stone pillars with dates on them.
And so for a long time, nobody could figure out what it even meant, and then about 1950, people put it together so that they could see that a central piece of the Mayan Calendar is a 5125year cycle called the long count. And this cycle basically goes from 311516 BC up to 20112012 AD.
And so this particular cycle actually covers the historical part of our evolution, the development of templecity cultures such as in Sumer and Egypt and China, and Mayan land.
And so the first thing that we understood about the Mayan calendar was we understood this historical cycle. But a lot of the days go way, way, way back before that. As a matter of fact, the dates that we've deciphered so far go back 16.4 billion years.
And so this calendar covers a tremendous amount of time. But the reason that people are so fascinated with the calendar at this time is the long count the classic long count that the Mayan scholars discovered ends December 21, 2012.
And then Carl Calleman has come along and tweaked that date slightly, and he feels that the major factor in the calendar, which he calls "time acceleration," actually completes itself in October of 2011.
So I put these two ideas together because I am also an astrologer. And the astrology during 2012 is so significant that I came to the conclusion that time acceleration was going to be completed by the end of 2011. But then during 2012, we're going into like an incredible integration of human consciousness. So
Clow: Well, I want to hear about that. But first, how about giving us an overview of Calleman's time acceleration theory because it's so fascinating?
Howell: Yeah, what Calleman found by analyzing the cycles in the calendar, as well as all the various dates in all that, he discovered that there are nine underworlds, which are cycles of evolution that started 16.4 billion years ago, the first one.
And each one of these nine cycles ends in 2011, so they're all still going on simultaneously at this point, which is just a fascinating idea. The first cycle back to 16.4 billion years ago, being the cosmological integration and the cellular level of development.
Then the next cycle is 820 million years long. And if you divide 16.4 billion years by 20, you get 820 million years. So what Calleman first discovered is the calendar is showing us these nine underworlds, and each one of them is 20 times less long than the previous one, like 820 million years versus 16.4 billion years.
And so what he discovered is, by dividing each one of these cycles by 20, over and over again, he came up with these nine underworlds that actually really are in the calendar.
And what he discovered at that point was that it's not so much about each one of them 20 times shorter; it's more about the idea that each underworld, as we roll along here, is going 20 times faster than the previous one.
And we do know from evolutionary theory, according to science, that evolution is definitely accelerating. And so the most fascinating thing about what Calleman has discovered is actually what's going on in the more recent time, which would have to do more with the time factors that we understand better.
And so there was one timeacceleration in 1755 AD, and that one is 1/20th of that historical cycle, first of all, if you divide it. But what's important about that is in 1755 AD, after around 5000 years of development of history and culture; we then started developing industry and technology. So what we find is in 1755 AD, we're going 20 times faster than we were 5000 years ago.
And then most significantly, for you and I as we talk on the phone, is another timeacceleration occurred in 1999, which is 1/20th of the 1755 cycle. And so according to what Calleman has discovered, we're going 20 times faster in our evolution since 1999, than we were since 1755.
And what I find when I got teachers' material is that people really resonate with that; people can really feel a certain speed in their bodies regarding this historical evolution.
And then we get into the industrial evolution, we can feel things going much faster, and then when we get up to 1999, things are going so fast at that point that most of us are having trouble comprehending what's going on.
Howell: Oh, yeah. Yeah, things are speeding up.
Clow: Yeah. And so one of the things I really love about what this man has discovered is that it explains to me for the first time why things are going so much faster at this point, because it's been like a train wreck.
Howell: So it's more than the Internet and technology and the speed, and cellphones, and the speed with which we can communicate and create.
Clow: And then also, technology always mirrors; it's always a mirror of what we are actually creating. So part of the reason we've created blackberries and cellphones and Internet and all that kind of stuff is because of the speed of itself. As we attempt to cope with the speed of our own species, we develop all this stuff that speeds us up, it works together.
But the real issue would be what on earth could be the point of this. And it's like we're being we're in the middle of beginning to be able to contemplate our own evolution back to 16.4 billion years ago, back to 800 million years ago which represents the development of singlecell clustered animals that then became mammals and reptiles and all that.
And so we are at this pinnacle point now, where we're actually contemplating the evolution of everything that exists and also the evolution of ourselves. And it's an incredible moment in time I mean, I am so grateful to be alive right now, even though it's extremely difficult.
Howell: What effect is time acceleration having on our consciousness?
Clow: Well, what Calleman feels and after working with his teaching for a couple of years, I'm really right with him
He feels that because these nine levels of evolution are occurring simultaneously, as well as faster and faster and faster, he's come up with a whole system that you can't find in the calendar that shows that we can look at what's going on right now, like, let's say what's going to happen in 2008.
Howell: We're in the "fifth night," right?
Clow: Yeah, and then Weekend which is called the fifth night of the galactic underworld, because this particular cycle since 1919 is called the galactic underworld. And that's fascinating in itself because of course, in my case, I've taught so much about the galaxy for the last 30 years.
And to tell you the truth, most people looked at me with complete fog on their face. And then suddenly, in 1999, people became fascinated with our position in the galaxy, how the galaxy affects us, and how our consciousness is connected to the galaxy.
So this galactic underworld has a lot to do with understanding ourselves in the galaxy and in the universe.
And that's going to turn out, as you can see from reading the Mayan Code, that's going to turn out to be the really, really, big deal this year, because what the Mayan code is saying in other words, I took Carl's basic theory, and then I went to work on it, based on my own understanding of things from the Pleiadian Agenda and Alchemy, and Catastrophobia.
And my understanding of it, which is a critical leap from Calleman, is that as we reach a certain level of galactic attunement and a feeling of comfort of ourselves in the galaxy, then what happens is there's going to be a critical leap where we're going to move toward peace.
And this is the central thesis of my book The Mayan Code, which is the issue of attaining piece on this planet, and then peace within the galaxy and the universe itself.
Well, as I said, one of the theories I brought into this book is called exopolitics, and exopolitics is a whole section in science that deals with the possibility that the earth is actually being quarantined for a number of years, tens, hundreds of thousands of years because our species is so violent.
Howell: We've been very bad.
Clow: Yeah, and so it would be that we've been shut out of the rest of the universe and the galaxy because of the level of violence and abuse. But this is where I jumped on Calleman's. Now, this of course is my own issue and not Calleman's issue. But this is where I really took this material to another level because I'm the author of Catastrophobia.
And Catastrophobia came out in 2001. And as far as I'm concerned, it's one of my most important books; it's called Catastrophobia. So it came up with a subtitle right now. Left brain isn't working. It's the day after New Year
Howell: I know, mine isn't working well, either.
[laughter]
Clow: I know. But in Catastrophobia, the point of Catastrophobia is that we are a multitraumatized species. Now, where I came to that was I've been a student of human consciousness and human potential my whole life, and also a trained initiate.
And my biggest problem with what I understood about what we're capable as humans; my biggest problem with that was if we're capable of all of this, and if we have this incredible heart and this incredible mind, what on earth is wrong with us, and why are we out butchering the other half of the human race?
And that's just been a big issue for me in my whole life. And so finally, I wrote Catastrophobia, which was a project with a couple of geologists at Oxford. They're the scientists of course, and I'm not a scientist; I'm a consciousness researcher.
And I went to a couple of geologists and I said, look, everybody talks about our changes, and everybody talks about catastrophes and comets and all that stuff, but nobody talks about what it does to our species. So I said I want to explore how cataclysms have affected human consciousness.
And these two guys were really intrigued by that because they said, "It's true, everybody talks about all the stuff, but nobody ever spends any time thinking about what it does to us." So Catastrophobia came out of working with D.S. Allan and J.B Delair. And it's a really, really, fascinating book as it covers the last 20, 000 years of geological history and human consciousness.
And what I have posited in Catastrophobia is that we are a multitraumatized species because of the gigantic cataclysm 11, 500 years ago, which actually was a cataclysm in the whole solar system and not just our planet.
And so then, when Calleman's theses came forth for me, then I was able to see how time acceleration would affect us, because if you operate with the idea that we are a multitraumatized species and remember, the issue here would be that we got that way 11, 500 years ago.
In other words, I think that we weren't quarantined until 11, 000 or 12, 000 years ago. And I think we were put under quarantine because we went through such a terrible cataclysm, and we're finding your way back to going beyond our own trauma.
So the idea of that would be that we're recovering from a whole series of traumatic experiences, including the survivalism after the cataclysm.
Howell: Now, I'm not clear about the time of when the Mayan civilization appeared on earth, but was it before we were quarantined?
Clow: Well, the first historical, anthropological, archaeological appearances that are recognized were about 5000 years ago. But the first question you have to ask yourself is if that's true, then how could your calendar go back 16.4 billion years.
Howell: Right.
Clow: So we don't know really know how ancient the Mayan civilization is. If you want think of it as see you have to think of the Mayan Civilization as first of all, being a civilization in Mesoamerica and Guatemala and Mexico and those parts of the world.
But also, the Mayans also say explicitly that they are a galactic civilization; that they are very, very much, basically an extraterrestrial civilization. So you could be dealing with a situation where they've been on earth for so many years, but they actually are much older than that. You kind of have to think of that.
Howell: Well, their system is very advanced and our scientists are still trying to figure it out.
Clow: Right. So regarding this issue of being a multitraumatized species, of course I checked with all of my Cherokeean, Maya elders about this, and everybody agrees with this. This is just basically a basic understanding of things, that we've gone through a terrible trauma and that now we're recovering.
Then if you factor time acceleration into that, it gets to be really interesting, because if Calleman is right, that all of the cycles in our current moment are also being affected by the cycles in the previous times.
In other words, he's bringing forth the idea that where we are right now on the galactic underworld is in touch with a similar point in the planetary underworld. That's the industrial cycle, then the similar point in the historical cycle, and then all the way back to 16.4 billion years ago.
So if he's correct about that, then what we're processing right now is our trauma at a highly accelerated rate. And I think that's what explains the violence and just the condition of politics and civilization on the planet right now.
I actually believe that we're very, very close to a tipping point here. This is of course in the Mayan Code. I'm suggesting that there are going to be major moves toward peace on this planet in the fall of 2008.
The Mayan Code explicitly says peace is coming to Jerusalem in the fall of 2008. When I wrote that, before I handed the manuscript in, Israel was bombing Lebanon at that point, and that was about the stupidest thing that ant human being could ever come up with.
Howell: Right.
Clow: So what I did was I took Calleman's basic historical thesis, and then what I did is I worked it out from 1999 through 2011 and I predicted what would be happening based on what Calleman has to say. At this point, I turned in the book 18 months ago, therefore we now have a year and a half of information after I turned the book in. So far it's been 100% accurate.
Howell: Yeah, it has.
Clow: And this just has me just incredibly excited, because, see, I was an early person in SDS, Students for Democratic Society in Ann Arbor back in 1961. So I've been a peace activist my whole life, and this is a long time now. This is, like, 47 years of being a peace activist, or whatever.
And I have never really felt in my heart and body that peace was coming. And I've changed. At this point I really believe it's coming. I actually really think this is true, and yet it's the most outrageous thing anybody could say, really.
Howell: No, but it's true that, what you said before, about how things are so accelerated emotionally for people, and that's why we have so much violence. I find that people are going through things very quickly. Things that Might have taken a year to process, people are processing in a day or a week or... Do you know what I mean?
Clow: Yes I do, and I also think as I've gotten older I've become more scientific. I used to be much more right brain and woo woo, you know, like, 20 years ago. I'm always looking for what could possibly explain how this could work out.
I've come to this point where what I'm seeing going on is this tipping point where the immersion of our awareness in hears and minds in the galaxy itself is what's going to take us away from being stuck in this mess on the planet. What's going to happen, this tipping point's going to come, which seems to be building now, where people just will have had enough of it.
Then, I don't know how soon this show is going to air, but something is going on in the sky right now regarding this whole issue that's come up only in the last month that just knocks me over.
Howell: Oh tell us, tell us.
Clow: Yeah, which is I hope this goes on in the next couple of weeks.
Howell: Oh it will.
Clow: OK, because according to astrophysics right now there is a one in 25 probability that an asteroid is going to strike Mars January 30, 2008. So this has only come through. Two weeks ago they said there was a one in 350 probability. Then they dropped it to one in 250. Now they're saying one in 75, and it's probably continuing to drop.
Now you'd have to say, well, so what? Well first of all, go back to the point when the fragments of ShoemakerLevy were striking Jupiter. Do you remember when 22 fragments of a comet were striking Jupiter?
Howell: No, but it's OK. It doesn't mean much if I don't remember.
Clow: ShoemakerLevy, most people will remember this, this was 1994, because we all watched it on television.
Howell: OK, OK, I remember. Yeah, yeah.
Clow: In front of our television sets, you watched a comet strike Jupiter, which I thought was unbelievable. So what I did with that is, because I'm the ceremonial teacher, I did months and months of ceremony.
There were indigenous people all over the planet who were doing ceremony, because to us initiatic folks, Jupiter represents the mastery codes. The way the Cherokee Nation understood it was the mastery codes were going to open when the comet struck Jupiter. And that's actually what happened.
Howell: Like the unlocking of...
Clow: Yeah, that actually happened. So now we have another one coming, which is an asteroid striking Mars. So you have to ask yourself, what could that mean? Well the amazing thing about that is astrology gives us the key. I'll tell you how this works.
Mars went retrograde in Cancer in the middle of November. Now first of all, Mars goes retrograde, which means it looks like it's going backwards in the sky. It goes retrograde only once every two years, and whatever sign Mars goes retrograde in has a significant affect on what's going on.
So first of all, Mars rules your ability to use your energy, and your male young, and your strength, and using force, if you know what I mean. So therefore Mars rules war also. So then Cancer rules the deep feminine and sensitivity to the mother and sensitivity to the Earth.
So, according to astrology, this Mars retrograde period, which is basically midNovember up into March, this is a period where people on the planet are going to be unusually sensitive and unusually prone to change their tendency toward violence, OK?
So here's what's significant about this Kelley. Mars goes direct, which means it looks like it's going forward in the sky on January 30, 2008. So in other words, the very day that an asteroid is supposed to strike.
Mars, Mars goes direct in cancer according to the Earth's perspective. Not only that, we also use charts of Nations, we use the chart of the United States formulating in 1776. Mars is going to go direct right on the USA 1776 Mars.
I know that all sounds very complicated, but what it is, it's a formula for the United States to stop it. And this is what has to happen, because who's the aggressor in the world?
Howell: We are.
Clow: The other country is attempting to cope with our aggression. Watch Proudon and watch Ahmedinejhad of Iran. Watch Chavez. Everybody's attempting to cope with our aggression so it doesn't go so far that it finally blows the planet itself. Isn't that the truth?
Howell: Totally the truth.
Clow: And I think that asteroid is going to be it.
Howell: That's a wonderful vision.
Clow: Now remember, when I wrote the Mayan Code two years ago, we didn't know anything about an asteroid coming. In other words, when I wrote the thesis that peace would come in 2008, we didn't know anything about an asteroid hitting Mars, if you get my drift.
Howell: Yeah.
Clow: In other words, I think that this asteroid event, if it does strike Mars, is a part of how this peace is going to come to us. And I'm not a Pollyanna. You know, I'm not like a super optimist or anything like that.
I think the only time that peace does come, at least in the past, is when people are just so exhausted they just stop it. They just lay down their arms because they can't stand it anymore.
Howell: Yeah. Well I just read something in the paper today about Bush finally signing, you know. At the end of the year he just finally signed off, releasing top secret government papers that people have been requesting to be seen for, you know, the last four or five years. So it's almost like he's giving up a little too.
Clow: It could be, it could be...
Howell: I'm getting that impression.
Clow: Yeah, well, and what's going on of course with a lot of that is there have been constant legal challenges...
Howell: Yeah.
Clow: ... and what's happened is they've run out of legal challenges. In other words, we've reached this point now where they play too many of those cards.
Howell: Yeah.
Clow: And they're going to be exposed, you know. But the real truth is probably what's going to stop it is probably a fairly significant economic collapse. And I don't want to make that... now, first of all let's get back to the Mayan Code for a minute.
Remember, according to Calleman we can go back to a previous period in these underworlds in order to understand what would be happening now. So we can look at 19, excuse me, 2008 in terms of the previous cycles. And the previous cycle that corresponds to 2008 is 1932 through 1952.
Howell: So the Depression?
Clow: Yeah, Depression, and the rise of Hitler and Nazism and things like that. So first of all, Night Five, which is the period we are in right now, it is actually the most difficult year of the galactic underworld. But the other thing you have to remember is that right now, each one of these cycles is 360 days long.
Howell: It's short!
Clow: Yeah.
Howell: It's not twenty years.
Clow: So what happened in seven years the last time happens in 360 days. So from that point of view, it's less difficult in terms of what we have to cope with. But at the same time, it's coming in fast and furious.
And so, if you examine what Calleman has discovered in the calendar and the way I analyzed it, for example, regarding the housing crisis in the United States, you have to take it extremely seriously. Because if you go back to 1932 and you go through the thirties, we had a very severe housing crisis in the United States.
You know, so then what I always look for, I always look for what is the positive potential here? Well, when you talk to people who have been through the Depression, and I'm old enough to have known quite a few of them, the first thing people used to tell me was that they were closer during the Depression. Families were closer, communities were close.
And so, even though this may seem to be really negative, you know, the possibility of a housing collapse and a financial collapse of some sort, number one, it is probably going to stop the war, which of course would be the most positive thing that could possibly happen.
And then probably people are going to draw closer together after being widely scattered for a number of years, you know? So it's not all negative as far as I'm concerned, but, it's definitely stressful.
Howell: Well it's stressful, but the other part about it is we're going through it in 360 days.
Clow: Right.
Howell: And it's not, twenty years.
Clow: Yes, right, that every day feels like a year.
Howell: [laughs] It's true! Time is warping isn't it?
Clow: [laughs] I know, yeah, one of the things that is so important for everyone is, you know, at least me, I'm resting as much as I can, I'm getting out in nature as much as I can. I'm really trying to stay balanced as much as possible.
Howell: And get away from your computer.
Clow: If I can!
Howell: [laughs]
Clow: Which is only just so much. Oh, and that reminds me of something Kelly, I run a website called HandCloud2012.com, and the reason I'm mentioning it at this moment is, what I do on my website is I give free counseling on the website, astrological counseling for how to handle this. Of course, I'm not doing individuals because it would be overwhelming.
Howell: Yes.
Clow: But what I do is I analyze every new moon and every solstice and equinox, and I give people counseling about how to handle the time acceleration better, because it's so difficult. You know, so for people who are having a stressful time with it, they can go to HandCloud2012.com and get a little bit of coaching.
Howell: Yeah, I went to your website, it's great, and you offer workshops there.
Clow: That stuff, yeah.
Howell: Yeah. Why don't you just explain to us the significance of the galactic alignment that's going to happen in 2012 or 2011, or whenever it's going to happen?
Clow: Well, that's an easy question because the galactic alignment actually occurred in May of 1998.
Howell: OK.
Clow: And this is, by the way, this is universally agreed upon. But the galactic alignment itself, really occurs over a period of 50 years, so it's actually long term, it isn't just December 21st, 2012.
Howell: OK, I was talking about the one that is the end of a 26, 000year cycle?
Clow: Well...
Howell: Or did I get something confused?
Clow: Yeah, that actually occurred in May of 1998. And even people who are emphasizing 2012 are always very careful to point out that it actually occurred in May of 1998. But, remember it's like a long term, 50year adjustment.
But the reason that the May of 1998 alignment is such a big deal, and it's interesting how few people stress this, I made a big deal of it in Alchemy of nine Dimensions.
What happened in 1998 is there were significant changes in our planet when the alignment occurred. In other words there were significant, detectable, geophysical changes when we aligned with the galaxy itself, and that is incredibly important and I don't know why more people don't emphasize it, but you have to ask, "well, like what kind of changes occurred?"
Well, what happened, and this could be seen with satellite technology, is when the alignment occurred, the most important thing that happened is that, for the last 12, 000 years the Poles have been depressed by the weight of ice. After the glaciers went away, the land at the poles has been gradually rising for about 12, 000 years now.
When the alignment occurred, that shifted, and the land at the Poles is no longer rising now, and then what happened is a bulge occurred at the equator, which you can see with satellites.
So in other words our planet, actually, the whole structure of our planet actually shifted with the alignment, and one of the reasons this is very significant is this may be the reason why the glaciers are melting...
Howell: Yes.
Clow: ... at this point at such a rapid rate. In other words this whole issue of, some of the theories of why the glaciers are melting, they should not be ignoring this factor.
Howell: Wow.
Clow: Yeah.
Howell: Well what's going to be happening astrologically at the end of the calendar?
Clow: Well, at the very end of the calendar, when we go into the solstices and equinoxes, during that cycle there's all kinds of significant astrological, especially outer planet factors going on, that are going to make it possible for the enlightenment of humanity to occur.
Now if we follow Calleman's theory, we're going to go through the last of the time acceleration in, basically all the way through 2011. By the way there's one more time acceleration in 2011. From February 28th, 2011 to October 28th, we're going to be going twenty times faster.
Howell: Yet again?
Clow: It's 1999.
Howell: Wow.
Clow: Imagine that. That's the ninth underworld; in other words there's nine and that's number nine. And so, first of all the way through 2011 I figure I'm going to have to be teaching every day.
Howell: [laughs]
Clow: And I'm actually serious about that.
Howell: I believe you.
Clow: I don't look forward to it but I think I'm going to have to. And so, what's going to happen is we're going to go through that final, just incredible, incredible acceleration at that point, and then what happens in 2012 is there is this wonderful balance with the astrology and with the seasonality during that year.
You'll notice I'm not emphasizing 2012 a lot. The reason I'm not emphasizing 2012 that much is because what we do now, in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, is the key to it. In other words, I'll just tell you this, because there are people fighting over whether the calendar ends in 2012...
Howell: Yes, there's a lot of disagreement about that.
Clow: Why not? Which, by the way, it's mostly men fighting.
Howell: Yeah, I've noticed. [laughs]
Clow: "Hey you guys, cut it out, there's no reason," you know. But, it is both, both dates are very important. But much more important than that is people who just sit back and figure they'll do nothing from now until then and then everything will be wonderful in 2012. It isn't going to work that way. In other words, this is the collective acceleration of human evolution.
And what each one of us does every day and every month and every year is critical to the outcome, if you see what I mean. I would say my biggest criticism and I rant and rail sometimes on my own website, but my big criticism of focusing too much on 2012 would be that we should be focusing on the time acceleration potential because there is so much potential in this idea.
Howell: Well, and in the present moment right now, one of the things I'm having a revelation is that for many years I've been working with prayer and affirmation and making offerings, and I'm finding that it works very quickly now. And we have all of these tools available to us. Rather than focus on 2012, focus now and make prayers for the world.
Clow: I agree with you, Kelly. And of course, most of the people I work with are the ones who are focusing on the whole process going along, just like you are. Most of our students and most of the people that I know are noticing that their creative potential and their ability to work with affirmations is just so accelerated right now.
You just have to be so careful about every single thought that goes through your mind. I monitor my head to a degree, I always have but much, much more so now than I have before. Then I'm finding that as I create things and do whatever I'm doing, things are miraculous at this point.
Howell: They happen to clear up so quickly, right? And also you can get an enormous amount of work done in a short time.
Clow: That's right. Yeah, you can just get something just done really quickly. The other thing that I'm really enjoying, because my life is pretty complicated and it's hard to know whether I'm going in the right direction or not, but of course everybody is like that.
I keep getting the most amazing synchronistic signals all the time. It's almost like there's angels right on the edge of this reality just dropping things on us. You know what I mean?
Howell: Yeah. Somebody described the end of the Mayan calendar as a cosmic synchronicity beam coming into the planet.
Clow: That goes back to the Mayan factor by Jose Arguelles. Back in those days, I was the publisher of that because I worked for the publishers at Bear and Company for 20 years and Bear published that. That's Jose Arguelles' idea of the galactic synchronization beam that came in at Harmonic Convergence on August 16, 1987.
So a lot of people, listeners, were involved in Harmonic Convergence. I really did experience that. In my case, I was doing a ceremony in Mexico, actually with about 100, 000 people.
Howell: Oh, were you at one of the Mayan sites?
Clow: Yeah, at ToT Walk On near Mexico City. And, we had a small group of people there that came down from the States. We had a group of about 300 people. And on the morning of the Grand Celebration, 100, 000 people, Mexicans mostly, just poured into the Temple site because they all were there to celebrate. It was awesome.
Howell: I bet.
Clow: It was really amazing. And that was pretty much all over Mexico, all of the Temple sites were filled with people celebrating.
Howell: Do you have any ceremonies planned for the upcoming years?
Clow: I do a ceremony pretty regularly, whenever I can, especially at equinoxes and solstices.
Howell: Where do you do them?
Clow: It depends on where I am, often I'm teaching. You know how it is. I just do as much as I can.
Howell: What do you recommend that people do right now to work with the accelerated frequencies?
Clow: First of all, not everybody is going to be as intellectual as the Mayan code is. That's a fact. For those who don't want or need or are capable even of figuring out some of the mechanisms of this, all you have got to do is just really be in your heart, really, really rest a lot and don't let yourself get freaked by it.
One of the most important things right now is to not buy into fear because the controllers on the planet, the people that are keeping us quarantined from the universe, are doing everything they can to get us to fall into fear.
Like, when Buddha was assassinated in Pakistan, I immediately realized that that would be such a convenient device to cause people to fear a nuclear event, you know? They can just use that to try to make people feel like there's going to be a nuclear event.
Well, you know, you've got to really watch out for that because that isn't necessarily what's going on at all. We've got to really be careful about not buying in to some of these ideas.
Howell: I think a lot of what we read in the newspaper is just basically keeping mass consciousness in a state of fear and anxiety. Every headline is negative, and there's also so many beautiful things going on in the world.
Clow: And the controllers, of course, want to keep us where we are so they can make money off of us or use us for whatever.
It's normal to try to control things, you know? There's nothing abnormal about that. But what's important about the controllers, the global elite, the secret societies, however you want to define it, is they know all about the Mayan calendar and they know all about this moment in time.
And the reason they have accelerated their attempts to control people is that they don't want the human race to succeed at what is coming.
Howell: Well, and the other thing is that things can change so quickly because of the Internet now. I mean, there are movies out there like Zeitgeist that are just traveling like wildfire across the Internet.
Clow: Look at it this way, first of all, if you control something it is natural to try to keep controlling it. There's nothing unusual about what they are attempting to do. Meanwhile, now we are coming to the point of an acceleration in our consciousness that's going to have us be a part of the whole universe again and be beyond fear and be in a state of peace.
What we have to do, each one of us as individuals, is we just need to stay in the heart and keep focusing on that objective in spite of what is going on. And then for people who are intellectual and want answers, I hate to say this but I will, read the Mayan Code.
Howell: The Mayan Code is great. I had to read it a couple of times and I still haven't absorbed all of the details of the days and the nights and the heavens. It is a lot to digest.
Clow: You don't have to, because I did the work. In other words, I went ahead and said, OK according to this thesis, this is what's going on in 2008 and 2009. And then if people like history, you can apply the paradigms yourself, and you can examine what went on from like 1932 to 1952 to try to imagine what is going to be going on this year.
Howell: After the fifth night, well, this ends in the fall of 2008, we go into the sixth day, right?
Clow: Right.
Howell: And what was the last time in history we had the sixth day?
Clow: 1952 to 1972, and then if you want to go back to the previous cycle, 829 to 1223 AD. So, first of all...
Howell: Oh, a little renaissance maybe, kind of, huh?
Clow: So if we look at 829 to 1233 AD, we have the early medieval period and the real awakening of new culture and new global culture. And if we go back to 1952 to 1972, in the States in particular, that was a fairly peaceful, you know relatively. The Korean War was going on, but it was a relatively peaceful time. But what is important. . .
Howell: And, we had the sixties, and there was a big change that happened in the consciousness of people, a positive change.
Clow: That's right, there was a huge change. What it says about day six is it's the flowering. So in other words, we go through these different stages of development of the galactic underworld. During day six, which is basically November 2008 through November. . .
Howell: Oh, election time. What a coincidence.
Clow: And so whatever it is we're creating during the galactic underworld, which I actually think is the opening of the heart, and the awakening of connection to all that is, what we're going to see is we're going to see a real flowering of different aspects of that during day six.
So right now... You know another thing about night five, which is what we're in the middle of right now, is one of the things I've been noticing since night five started in November is I'm noticing a lot of heart opening going on.
Night five seems to be that point where everything is extremely painful, and so your feeling body opens up more. So on the one hand, people are feeling a lot of pain, but on the other hand, they're feeling a lot of opening of the heart.
Howell: And connecting with other people.
Clow: Yeah.
Howell: That's very true.
Clow: I didn't expect that. I don't know what I expected. I guess you've got to live through something to see what it's like. But I haven't seen that going on.
Howell: Yeah. Hey, do we have time to talk about the World Tree, briefly?
Clow: OK, that's a good one. The world, according to Calleman see, he's a scientist. So there has to be something driving this evolutionary factor, or according to science it wouldn't work.
So Calleman passes that what's driving evolution is the World Tree. The World Tree is the dynamics of the upper world and the lower world, and the middle world in terms of just what we understand it mythologically.
But what Calleman passes is that the World Tree actually has a geophysical location, which is a pretty radical idea. He believes that it's located at 12 degrees east latitude. And then where it crosses the equator is, like, in Africa basically close to where Gabon is located, which is a country in Africa. So that's just Calleman's basic theory.
And then the idea would be that that World Tree is driving all these dynamics of all these underworlds, which is just a really fascinating idea.
Howell: I love the idea of the Eastern hemisphere being like the right brain, and the left hemisphere, the left brain.
Clow: Yeah. It's a cool idea.
Howell: It's a very cool idea, because the East is way more right brained than we've been.
Clow: And Calleman's theory was basically published, he finished publishing in 2004. There are a couple of books. And then I, of course, came along in 2007 with the Mayan code. And what happened one month ago is that a scientific proof for the World Tree has appeared.
Howell: What is that?
Clow: What happened was about a month ago, scientists have been watching a phenomenon with the planet that they Ion Plume, and they find these ion plumes are in the upper atmosphere. When they're present in the upper atmosphere, when we have solar flares, it creates a tremendous charge of energy.
So scientists are really interested in what's going on with these ion plumes, because we're on the verge of going into another high solar flare cycle. We've been in a minimum right now. So they're rushing to figure out what's going on with these things, because they've detected them. They've got some kind of new satellite that has detected them.
So what caught my eye on this because I'm always watching for proof of what Calleman is saying is a month ago, a couple of thousand scientists went to a conference in Africa in order to figure out what's going on with these ion plumes. Then I saw their satellite technology showing that the ion plumes are coming out of Gabon.
Howell: That's fascinating.
Clow: Yeah, I know. So this may or may not be a scientific proof of what Calleman is saying, but they may have detected the way that World Tree affects the planet and the upper atmosphere. Isn't that amazing?
Howell: That is amazing.
Clow: There's a lot of stuff like that going on, by the way. Calleman's collecting information right now. I'm collecting information. There's a lot of proof that's coming through pretty fast based on not based on what he has to say. These are just separate proofs that establish that what he has discovered is actually a real scientific fact.
Howell: I thought, at first when I heard the word the Sacred World Tree, I thought it was more of a metaphor.
Clow: Well, in different mythological systems, like Yggdrasil...
Howell: And the kabbalah.
Clow: Yeah. Or the Celtic World Tree. We find the concept of the World Tree in all ancient cultures. So it is a metaphor and it is mythological.
Howell: But he's saying it's really...
Clow: You know, one of the things I really like about Calleman is he's always going, 'Well, how come they all talk about that?'
Howell: Right. Where is it?
Clow: No, like, what is that? So here's what's fascinating about this Kelly. If it turns out that those ion plumes are actually the physical basis of the World Tree, then this becomes a really critical thing regarding something that I said in the Mayan Code.
In the Mayan Code, I hypothesized that during the solar maximum cycle in 2010 and 2011, one of the things that's going to stop the global elite from controlling the planet is that the solar flares during those two years are going to blow the star wars technology.
So in the Mayan Code I'm saying their trying to keep us controlled at this point by the star wars technology, which is being designed to shut space out of the Earth. So the interesting thing about these ion plumes is these ion plumes get activated by solar flares. So this is another one of these things I said a couple of...
Howell: So those might just knock the satellites right off their...
Clow: Yeah, and so the World Tree, assuming that it is an effective device for the evolution of our species, the World Tree is part of that whole issue of how the solar flare activity is going to affect us. Which is just an amazing idea.
Howell: It's a great idea.
Clow: And this only came through a month ago.
Howell: Well, Barbara, on departing, which I really don't want to, are there any final words that you'd like to say and share with people?
Clow: The important thing about Calleman's theory and about my following of his theory is that the idea behind his theory is that we're divinely guided. This is not about fundamentalist evolution. This is more in the realm of the idea of intelligent design. There are a number of scientists on the planet now who believe that even...
You know, we're not fundamentalists or anything like that. We don't believe the world got created 6, 000 years ago, but we do believe that what's going on in our world is actually that there is some form of intelligent design. And that actually what's happening to us is actually destined to happen to us.
Howell: Thank you Barbara. How can people get in touch with you again? Your website?
Clow: They can go to my website. They can't get in touch with me directly, because I'm very busy as you could imagine.
Howell: But you have a great website. I've been there.
Clow: Yeah, it's true. It's true. I do that so that I can stay in touch. It's my way of staying in touch as much as I can.
Howell: And what's that address?
Clow: That's handclow2012.com.
Howell: Barbara, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Clow: Thank you very much for the support.
Howell: And I hope maybe we could do another show coming up maybe in the middle of the fifth night or something.
Clow: Wonderful. I'm going to be around here keeping track of the days and nights. So if you feel like doing another show, I'd love to.
Howell: Or a spring equinox show.
Clow: OK.
Howell: OK, take care.
Clow: OK, take care. Bye, Kelly.
Howell: Bye.
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