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Kelly Howell: Welcome once again to Theatre of the Mind. Your host, Kelly Howell.


All right, here we go. Today's guest is Lynne McTaggart, author of "The Field: The Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe." Lynne's book examines the connection between the universe and all living and nonliving things. It tells a story about a group of frontier scientists, and I will let her talk more about the book and her master class in a moment.


I want to thank Shaun in the UK for setting up this interview. Thank you, thank you Shaun. We've really got a global village happening here, Lynne is in the UK, Shaun is setting up interviews from the UK, and he's got me booked solid!


Upcoming guests that Shaun has scheduled for us are: Larry Dossey, who is the leading researcher on the power of prayer, we'll be speaking with him about his new book "The Extraordinary Healing Power of Ordinary Things", as well as new developments in his research.


Then we've got Dean Radin, Ph.D., Laboratory Director at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, he is author of the "The Conscious Universe" and "Entangled Minds." We'll be finding out how our minds are entangled with each other and the universe.


And then we've got Rupert Sheldrake in the UK. Rupert is a biologist and author of more than 75 scientific papers and 10 books. Among his books are: "The Presence of the Past: Morphic Resonance & the Habits of Nature." We will be speaking with him about morphogenetic fields.


We're on to a new thing, I think you might kind of sense this, we're on to fields now, we've gotten off maps, and fields is where we're going. He also wrote a wonderful book called "The Physics of Angels: Exploring the Realm Where Science and Spirit Meet", and he wrote a book called "Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home" and that book won the Book of the Year Award from the British Scientific and Medical Network.


To find out who will be coming on future shows, subscribe at www.kellyhowell.com. And one last announcement before we go into the interview: we have a little change in programming coming up here. After this show, we're going to a bimonthly schedule; kind of like summer hours.


[laughs] I want to lie by pool, but I'm so busy! So I'm going to be posting shows every other week, until the all new and wonderful Brain Sync site is launched. It's gorgeous, I just can't wait. We're going to have a forum, a BrainLab, a meditation center... what else is happening? Oh, some experts in their field have jumped in and are participating with us, and I'm also working on some new Brain Sync programs, which I will keep you abreast of as I get closer to finishing.


All righty then, let's go to the interview with Lynne McTaggart, author of "The Field."


Well Lynne, thank you for coming on the show today, it's great to have you here.
Lynne McTaggart: Thanks, it's nice to be here.
Kelly: I'd love to talk with you about your book "The Field" because it's one of my favorite books, and you pulled together so much extraordinary research, what are the most important scientific discoveries that you explore?
Lynne: Well, I think that the most basic part of it is that, is the discovery of a guy called Hal Puthoff, who is a frontier physicist, that we're not separate entities, that matter in the universe isn't separate but is engaged in a dynamic dance with an energy field. And that energy field is called the Zero Point Field, because even at temperatures of absolute zero, when all little subatomic particles are supposed to stop moving, quantum physicists have discovered that they don't completely stop, they just keep passing little energy back and forth, almost like they are playing a game of basketball and they're sending a basketball back and forth.


And that little energy exchange happens between all the subatomic particles of all the things in all the world, and it gives rise to this unbelievably, unfathomably large energy field called the Zero Point Field.


So I think there is that idea, the idea that we're all connected through this energy field, and also that it explains many of the socalled "paranormal things" that we have always understood are true, but we've never had anything to explain before, any mechanism to explain them.
Kelly: Is the Zero Point Field just another theory or is it widely accepted?
Lynne: It's not a theory. Some scientists will say, "Well, we don't know how important this is," but ever since the days of [Werner] Heisenberg and [Niels] Bohr, some of the fathers of quantum physics, we've understood that matter just never comes to rest and that there is this little residual jiggling and energy that goes on, and that subatomic particles exchange energy which creates virtual particles, or this little energy dance. And so, everyone accepts it, but conventional physicists have felt that because it's ever present, it doesn't count, and so they've subtracted it out.
Kelly: They zeroed it out.
Lynne: Yeah, and I say in my book, it's a little bit like subtracting out God.
Kelly: One of my favorite lines.
Lynne: Yeah, it's the point. It's the important bit.
Kelly: So why did they zero it out?
Lynne: They call it Zero Point Field because even at the coldest temperatures in the universe, which is absolute zero, at that temperature of coldness... you know, subatomic particles need heat in order to move around, and the hotter it is, the more they move. So when it's very, very cold, they stop moving, theoretically. But they found that even at those temperatures there is still residual movement between particles and this little trading of information. So therefore, this field occurs even at Zero Point.
Kelly: I also remember reading in your book that some scientists or physicists are looking into tapping into the field as an unlimited source of energy.
Lynne: Well, this is the other reason that it's not just theoretical. Hal Puthoff, the physicist I mentioned before, and a number of others are working... it used to be what they call a "black project', which meant it was quiet and kept under wraps. And now it isn't; now Lockheed Martin and number of universities are working with Hal and a bunch of other scientists to try to tap into this energy.


There's so much energy in socalled "empty space" because of this that if you and I were sitting a yard away from each other, there would be enough energy to boil all the oceans of the world. It's just unbelievable. And so they realize that if they could just take a little piece of this and extract it, they would have what they've called a "cosmic free lunch". They would be able to use it to travel to distant galaxies.
Kelly: Wow....
Lynne: Which of course at the moment is not possible, because you would need a rocket as big as the sun to do that, to carry all the fossil fuel that you'd need.
Kelly: I had a spiritual epiphany while reading your book, because it really changed the way that I viewed God. I came away going: "OK, so how do we as individuals tap into this field?"
Lynne: I mean, I think that's what everybody was asking. I think that there is one thing, what I cover in the book is much of the scientific research, and this is interesting, because this research which has been going on for the last 2530 years, quietly, among... with scientists involved in the frontier, because the other important thing that they were asking about was: how much does consciousness affect matter? And if we are all connected, then does what we think have any effect on the world?


And certainly, many of the studies they looked at demonstrated that we do have effect on living things, on inanimate things, and in healing, and lots of modalities like that.
Kelly: Right, and just the telepathy between people.
Lynn: Exactly.
Kelly: I experience that every single day.
Lynn: Well yeah, and so does everybody, in some degree or another. It's just that often times we are just tuned in to radioreality.
Kelly: Right.
Lynn: And so we don't really understand how much intuitive information we're getting.
Kelly: I think that's one of the hurdles that we have to overcome, because I think people are for more intuitive then they let themselves believe they are.
Lynn: There's no question of that now, there's more and more information coming out. And certainly, in the book, I looked at a lot of ordinary people who were able to do remote viewing, and this is again under scientific conditions. It was a CIA sponsored program, and even some of the CIA agents were able to do remote viewing with a little bit of training.
Kelly: Oh, it's not hard to do. Once you now the kind of rules and the structure.
Lynn: Absolutely. And that's the case to with all sorts of intuitive information; you just need to know as much as a lot of native cultures used to do. That was routinely part of their learning process. And with us, we just have to learn how to do that.
Kelly: You write a lot about waves and resonance, and I think that's one the areas where if more people understood how we're communicating through waves.
Lynn: Well, some of the scientists I wrote about have been doing a lot of research, looking at how selfcommunicate, and how communicate with each other. And they've discovered something really amazing. A scientist called Fritz Albert Pop in Germany discovered that all living things emit tiny particles of light, and that this light is highly organized. And so what would seem to be the case is that it's not only a communication mechanism inside the body, it comes mainly from DNA the DNA of the cell and its seems to set the tempo for all sorts of things. The bodily functions, for coordinating things in the body, and it really accounts for how our body can have instant information globally in the body.


Whereas today, standard biology explains it by saying, "Oh, it's because chemicals bump into each other" Now, a chemical sits in a cell, like a tennis ball sits in a swimming pool. And the idea of little subatomic particles to be able to bump into each other, and to make that information, just doesn't make any sense at all.
Kelly: Why do you think there is so much resistance to this new knowledge?
Lynn: I think that there is a lot of resistance to it because science is very much about received wisdom; it's not about new ideas. And the "new ideas" people are always the people who have been attacked and discredited.
Kelly: They are so attacked, it is awful.
Lynn: Yeah, and it has always been this way. It has always been who realized that the earth is round, everybody else still maintained that the earth is flat, until it's been around for about fifty years, that notion, and then it gets accepted.


These guys are out in the frontier, and they have discovered things that go against the orthodoxy. And I think that's what the outrage is, that if you accept what they're saying, you have to deny what the standard view if the world is. You have to completely revise your own idea about how the world works.
Kelly: Do you think that we are at that pivotal time when... You could draw the metaphor to when everyone thought the world was flat.
Lynn: Well I think so. I think we're on the brink of a revolution, which is why I wrote "The Field." I feel that these frontier scientists took a few things that were missing in quantum physics. They took a lot of the questions that were left unanswered, and they started answering them. And what they were looking at is... Quantum physics very famously said they found that subatomic particles don't exist as a "thing," they exist as only a potential of a thing.


They exist as sort of all possible cells of the electron. So it's like describing somebody by describing the entire street where he lives. And they realized that the only thing turning that particle into something resembling a single entity is the involvement of an observer, and the fact that once the observer took a measurement or glimpsed this thing; it would turn into one actual thing.


So that had just enormous implications for whether we create reality. And so a lot of these frontier scientists asked an even bigger question, "If we create reality, can we also alter it, can we change it, how much of it do we make?"
Kelly: Well what's so funny, here's the dichotomy, it's widely accepted that doubleblind studies are the way to go, right? Well why is that? Because they know that the researcher, the people involved in the study influence the outcomes.
Lynn: Absolutely. The whole observer effect is something really well known now. But I think science doesn't really recognize and understands that consciousness, the real role of consciousness is in changing matter. And the real question now that we have is, "How much are we involved in creating reality?" And it looks like we're intrinsic, that this some kind of participatory role that we've got.
Kelly: So what do you think the coming revolution is in science and consciousness?
Lynn: Well I think that we understand that our view of the world and the way we live our lives, is very much dictated to us by science. And we are told that we are separate and lonely little individuals, on a lonely planet, in a lonely universe. And this new paradigm says that's not right, that actually, we're all connected, we're connected in the very nethermost level of our being with each other, with all other matter in the world. And that we simultaneously communicate and we can see information, we can pick up information across time and space. And it gives us a very different paradigm that's about connection, that's not about isolation, it's about relationship.


And that when you start looking at all of this, you start realizing, "Wow, I've got to figure out a new way to be, because everything in my life is predicated on the notion of separateness. And so I've got to learn how to live my life a new way."
Kelly: Well Lynn, you've got groups sprouting up all over the world, we would love to hear about them.
Lynn: Well it was interesting. When the book came I was flooded with letters from people saying, "Well OK, how do I live this? Because it seems like what I've learned about my life isn't true, and how do I live a different way?"


And so I started thinking about that, and started doing a thing called "Living The Field" And it's called a master class, because I didn't think I should do a newsletter, I thought I should research how are the different ways that people can live in "The Field."


And the other way to do it, I thought, was to set up small groups, and to have people chatting with each other, and talking with each other, and sharing experiences and meeting in small groups and practicing things like remote viewing. Because if you're going to do a paradigm shift, you can't just do it on your own, you need some other fellow spirits.
Kelly: Yeah, and you need to do things like remote viewing... I had a remote viewing here in Santa Fe and it shifted everybody so profoundly, because they all could remote view.
Lynn: It's amazing, because we all think this is something that only gifted people can do.
Kelly: Right, the psychics and the intuitives, and the real estate agents were fantastic.


[laughter]
Lynn: What a good way to do it.
Kelly: Right, they hit the target every time.
Lynn: That's great. Hal Putoff has a wonderful story, because he was also involved in that CIAsponsored remote viewing program. And he learned as well as anybody else how to remote view, and he always thought you needed to use this for good things, not just to win the lottery. So he was trying to setup a charity for a school and he was short about $26,000 dollars or something like that.


And so he remote viewed on the stock market, and made just that amount of money, in order to pay for his charity. So I thought, now that is a perfect example of when it's useful and when it should be done.
Kelly: That is great. But I think there is also a point where, perhaps, he was visualizing it too, simultaneously. You know...
Lynne: It is hard to know which is going on. A lot of people say even that remote viewing is not remote viewing it is precognitive information you know to...
Kelly: Right, right, right. Or telepathy, mind reading. Yeah, it is hard to know.
Lynne: It is hard to know is it telepathy is it remote viewing are we... What about all the stuff about where people have been able to see the past or into the future? It is hard what is what.
Kelly: Right. But it is happening [laughs].
Lynne: But it is happening and we all have the ability to do it and that is the thing that is really interesting. It just opens up the world to us as a very, very different place than the place that we have known.
Kelly: I love your idea of these little groups. I think it is just a kind of brilliant way for people to start shifting their consciousness.
Lynne: Well, thanks. I thought so too.
Kelly: I want to just go back to what you do in those groups. Do you train people to lead a group? People come in and take a master class with you and then they go back to their homes and set up groups, how does it work?
Lynne: Well, it works this way. I set up a weekly eNews service and it goes out to the groups and I suggest a lot of things. I tell them about websites, books to read, and I tell them about subject to go to see and talk about and all those things like that. Plus we run conferences and workshops. My company runs a lot of living the field conferences. We just had one, we called it "Icons of the field" and it was all the main heroes of my book, well the scientist. We talked about amazing stuff they have been doing.
Kelly: You had Rupert Sheldrake.
Lynne: We have had a whole bunch of really great people. This last one had Karl Pribram, and he was amazing.


And Hall Puthoff and Konstantine Korotkov who has been doing some interesting stuff with the GDV machines which are like an update, a modern Kirlian photography and stuff. Gary Schwartz who had done some incredible studies with healers, and a number of people like that, Bill Tiller. So we do that and we have workshops, but we also have our master class, it is actually a written class as opposed to a class you come to. It has got material for everything from healing to how to do remote viewing, dream information and getting precognitive dream information, using intention, using the field with your children and teaching them in a...
Kelly: See I think it is so brilliant, Lynn.
Lynne: Well thank you.
Kelly: It is just brilliant what you are doing. So, how many groups are there around the world now?
Lynne: Well, we just started them not that long ago, and I think there are around 75100 groups already.
Kelly: all right.
Lynne: There are a lot in America and then there is a number of them in Europe and the UK. There seems to be more of them organizing every week. We have just hired somebody who is going to help run them so that we really give a lot of information to them.
Kelly: So, do people sign up to start a group, is there a charge for it?
Lynne: No charge, I mean you can either set up a group or belong to one. If people take our eNews, if you go on our website people take our eNews that is livingthefield.com. If they just take our eNews they will get information about which groups are up and which one is near them. If they want to join it they can actually go in person to meet the other people or they can just do it virtually.


We are going to be having more and more virtual group meetings on my site too. We just have a point of contact to start talking. Then a number of people in the group get our living the field course and then use the course as a class basically and they work with the other people in the group with the course.
Kelly: Oh, that is wonderful. The course sounds great. Now, does that come on your email newsletter? Do you sign up for that?
Lynne: You sign up for that.
Kelly: OK.
Lynne: So that people can sign up for. My eNews is free, if people want the course that does have a charge and that people can get and they get it every month and they get it with a binder. It is a fouryear course but, you can take as much or as little as you want. The four years just means it comes to you... Well, now we have done three of the four years so people can order three years of it and just have the whole lot. Now we are working on things like the field in your relationships, if your not separate how do you relate to someone? The field at work, if we are not separate why be so competitive? You do not have to win so that other people can lose. There are all sorts of ways of just really looking at your life. We have looked at a lot of native tradition over these three years, just to see. Their ideas and paradigms are much closer to this than our current one.
Kelly: Yeah, so many indigenous cultures too, they accept it.
Lynne: So many and we have studied so many around the world, just the different ways we have looked at it thematically. How do they handle birth, death, and intention? Their central paradigm of life as a circle and of everything being connected, is much closer to this new physics than our current paradigm. So, I have been looking at the ways they deal with things for clues about how we can live our lives too. We see that they have a very different way of educating their children. It is not based on competition and being first, it is about being cooperative. They have a different way of working, attitude to time, life, death, birth, and we have been looking at all of that and just looking at different techniques and trying to extrapolate from there how can we live our life's?
Lynne: So Lynn, what is your next book on [laughs]?
Kelly: On intention [laughs]. I wanted to... I really felt that, that was a little bit of unfinished business from my last book. Although, the book was really concentrating and suggested consciousness has an effect on matter, I wanted to find out how much. I have been studying a lot about that and it will come out in January.
Lynne: Oh, what is it called?
Kelly: "The intention experiment"
Lynne: Oh, how wonderful.
Kelly: So, it should be very interesting. I hope it will satisfy that one last itch, I had anyway. [laughs]
Lynne: I think people are starting to get it now [laughs].
Kelly: Yeah, I think they are. It gets bandied around a lot, so I try to always bring to my work a real scientific edge.
Lynne: I know and it is so wonderful, and so needed. You really do a great job with that.
Kelly: Well thank you very much, I really do appreciate it.
Lynne: We need that validation. The scientific validation is so important to help people believe that they really do project their thoughts.
Kelly: Exactly. So my new book is really about, how far can we go.
Lynne: Well, that is great. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Lynn.
Kelly: Well thank you. I really appreciate it.


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Kelly: To learn more about what it means to live in the field visit Lynn's website at wddty.co.uk I thought I was busy. Wow! She has got a lot going on. Check out her Living in the Field master class; maybe start your own group. Until next time, take care.
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