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Kelly Howell: Welcome, once again, to Theatre of the mind, my name is Kelly Howell, and we have a very special guest today. She is a best selling author and intuitive and her name is Laura Day. Laura has spent over two decades helping companies as well as individuals use the power of crisis to actually create their dreams.


Her global clientele include scientists, business executives and celebrities. Laura's books include "The Circle," "How the power of a single wish can change your life," and the New York Times best seller "Practical Intuition." She speaks regularly both here and abroad, and has appeared in numerous publications and on shows including CNN, The View and Oprah. Welcome Laura, it is great to have you on the show today.
Laura Day: Thank you. Great to be here.
Kelly: So, how about telling us a little bit more about yourself and what inspired you to write "Welcome to Your Crisis?"
Laura: Well, I started as an intuitive; I, first of all, believe that everybody is intuitive. We are all psychic, some are all healers. I was lucky enough, however, my early 20's to be the subject of some Universities that were doing tests to really see what exactly is it that the human mind can do.


How far in the future can it go, how accurately, can it view remote locations, and so I was a test subject, and I worked a lot mostly, in the beginning, in Medicine and Archeology, believe it or not, and drug research, because I did most of my work pro bono and then, I didn't even know something like a psychic who reads people existed, I was really in the University system and in the medical scientific system, and I really realized that this is an ability that can help people create change, and we all have access to it.


Unlike getting a medical degree, your gut instinct can tell you right away what's wrong, what to do about it, and yours, I am not talking about calling somebody else, and I really have devoted the last 15 years to teaching people how to use their own intuition, teaching companies and physicians, nurses, how to be more intuitive, to have more successful lives, whether it is in love and business, their health, how to lose weight. Because it is really a wonderful, accessible ability that we have.
Kelly: Well, you have taught a lot of people.
Laura: My favorite thing is to teach, because it is really something that is ready made. I do a group once a month at Barnes & Noble, and people off the street come in and it is one hour, and in one hour, they get accurate, intuitive information, and they think, oh wow how did I do this, and I tell them you have been doing this all the time and you just didn't know you were doing it.


You notice the funny thing about intuition is that everyone confuses intuition with spirituality, and they are not the same thing. Intuition is the way you get information, so, what is going to happen to the star? Where are my keys? What's wrong with this person's body?


My dad is a doctor and he is... one of my favorite stories about him, a friend of mine's little girl, I live in New York and a friend of mine's little girl in California had the flu, and I just knew this little girl was going to die, but I didn't want to sound like a crazy person saying to my friend, your child with the flu is going to die. So, I called my dad and without even thinking twice he said, she has hemolytic uremic syndrome, take her to hospital right away to the emergency room, make sure they admit her, make sure they do the following tests.


She took her to the hospital, the emergency room said no it is the flu, she called me back, I said you know what just do it. And it saved her life, she apparently there had been tainted apple juice and a little boy in Colorado died because they thought it was the flu. So, if my dad, who doesn't even like talking about intuition, he is a doctor, made an accurate diagnosis based on no information, based on my friend's baby has the flu, and we all can do it, we tend to use our intuition in our area of expertise, so, in the pieces of our lives that do well, often in work.


So, if you are making good investments, you are using your intuition there, if you are picking good friends you are using your intuition there. However, you can also and you always do also use your intuition in your area of greatest neurotic preoccupation, and what I mean by that is, if you think you are going to be abandoned, subconsciously, your intuition will be targeted on finding the next man, woman, child, job, dog who will abandon you.


So, it is very important to learn how to have conscious direction with your intuition, so it can lead you to your experiences that create what you want in your life. And that's really what practical intuition is about, it is what the circle is about, and it is about, it is what "Welcome to your crisis" is about.


The thing is to say, as we get closer to what we want, because it requires us to change and change is so hard, I mean just all of you, take a second and just take today, and think how much time, energy, money, thought you put into maintaining what you have, to maintaining the status quo. I bet you it is about 98% of everything you did today.


So, when we actually, when change comes upon us, or we even actually move toward it, there is always a point of crisis where we almost backlash, holding on to what is familiar and what is old, what feels like home to us even if it is a very awful place. So, "Welcome to Your Crisis" really helps you not do that, helps you embrace all the opportunities that come to you all the time, but whatever you are successful in, that's where your intuition is working.


The really interesting thing about intuition is that if you take any given problem, you can find 5,000 things to do about it. But what intuition allows you to do is find that one thing that will turn things around on a dime.


We forget that miracles happen every day, and we call them miracles, they are not miracles, they are when synchroniquities, when your outside life and your inside life meet in the right way, and your life can change overnight, so many of us battle with a weight problem or being alone or money problems, and then we just find that switch and all of a sudden we are transformed and intuition is really about finding the switch, finding the issue, being able to predict the opportunity, being able to know how someone else is feeling or thinking, somewhat dispassionately, not through connecting with them emotionally, which, emotions don't give us a lot of clear information, but really being able to view dispassionately what's around and make educated decisions for yourself, and for others.


And one of the things I love to do in my workshops and the reason I love to have workshops is that you get 20, 100, 200 people in a room, you train them to get accurate intuitive data, so to be accurate psychics and to be effective healers so to be able to change energy, whether it is the energy of a situation or a body, you get a group of people together to do it and then you have them keep doing it for each other, and that kind of energy, that huge push of a group creates the most miraculous change you can imagine and that is why our communities are so important, anything you are doing, if you can do it in communities, you will do it more quickly, you will do it more effectively and we really, I think many people..
Kelly: It is sure there is a collective consciousness of a group, so if you are all in..
Laura: No, there is a collective consciousness, but there is also collective resources.
Kelly: Exactly.
Laura: You may not need what I need and you may have exactly what I need. And when we have a group of people, also one way the police department works with psychics or intuitives, I use those words interchangeably, I will explain why I don't like the word psychic.


But they ask five separate psychics kind of the same question, what's the license plate, what color car, and if everyone gets the same thing without having exposure to one another you know you are on target. Well, when you have an intuitive group, so when you, when you really put together a group of people who train in intuition, you work together, you ask a question and you can get many intuitive hits and they should all be more or less the same.


I want to explain why I don't like the word psychic. The word psychic has come to mean a lot of philosophical things and a lot of spiritual things. And it's not that spirituality isn't important, but if I ask 10 people "What's spirituality?" I will get 10 different definitions. Where as intuition is simply getting correct data.
Kelly: It's not as woo woo.
Laura: It's not woo woo at all, and it's not particularly elevated. You can get correct data about you know, how to ruin your competitors business, or how to steal from a bank. The data isn't good or bad, and it's the same thing with healing.


People think of healing as very spiritual, it's not. It's being able to focus your energy, in a way that you can change the energy around you or inside of you. Whether that change is making a body healthy or whether that change is shifting a meeting in a way that everyone's in agreement with you. Or bringing the true love of your life, into your life. The circle is about those things that you know. "I've wanted to be in love for 20 years and I've never fallen in love." How do I change that now, today? And that's what the circle is about. And "Welcome To Your Crisis" is about "Wow, I'm getting what I want, finally for the first time in my life!" "How do I not screw that up?"


Because getting what we want, is a whole lot scarier than not getting what we want. Especially if we're use to not getting what we want. That kind of change, any change, is scary, and one of the things that people forget is that life takes so much courage.


I see thousands and thousands of people a year, especially in workshops. Some of them are at the open things I do. Especially the free things I do. They are people off the street you know, that just walk in. And I really feel everybody in that audience. And I think everybody here has something to give and everyone here has enormous courage.


Because life is confusing, and it's frightening, and it's a lot of very difficult things. Which is why we need tools so that, instead of being confusing and frightening, we feel equipped to let it be exciting and challenging. And we make choices everyday about what we're going to create, instead of feeling like life is acting upon us.
Kelly: Hey Laura, can we talk about your book a little bit?
Laura: Love to.
Kelly: You say that crisis, offer the gift of limitation. How are limitations gifts?
Laura: Well in crisis, a lot of the things in our life, that really we've out grown are taken away. And sometimes things that are very dear to us that we haven't out grown yet are taken away. But what we're really left with is our most essential needs and desires. And often these are things that are so buried, cause you start burying what you really need and want by the time you are two or three years old.


Someone tells you this is bad, this isn't OK. You're not this, and you bury the very things that will make you happy. The very desires that will lead you in the right direction. And so, when you're in crisis, it really narrows the field, and you have to go back and go even further down than you've ever been before inside of yourself to find where those abilities and desires lay.


And from crisis, if you ask most of your friends, "Gee, what do you really love about your life?" And then you'll say "When did that begin?" And "What was the year or two preceding that like?" Ninety percent of the time, there will have been a big crisis. And what was superfluous will have been taken away.
Kelly: I like what you say in your book, that it's up to us to make sure that when a crisis hits, it's the best thing that ever happened to us.
Laura: Well you know, the reality is, that when things go wrong, you have two choices. You can let yourself go wrong too, I mean you can really have your life limited and have yourself limited. Or you can use it for change. For desired change. Cause in crisis, change has already happened.


You know, how many people do you know who's marriages have been over for years but they're still married? Or who's jobs have been over for years, but they're still in them? But they're not the same person that they were. And the opportunity in loss, is actually much more vibrant and abundant gain. And that's what welcome to your crisis is about.


People need to learn, not everybody responds to change and to crisis in the same way. People need to learn what type they are. So, how do I respond in crisis and.


When crisis hits to do the things to help them curb the negative responses. The ones that get them deeper in the pit and to encourage their strengths. And the four types are rage, denial, depression and anxiety.
Kelly: Should we go over the four reacting types?
Laura: Sure.
Kelly: And how we can identify what type we are?
Laura: Absolutely. There is a quiz in the book and welcometoyourcrisis.com has some on line audio experiences, that which ever one works for you, that's probably the type you are. But people don't change types. You know the thing that I always hear from people, "Oh, I'm every type." No, you're not. Not in crisis.


During your normal life, you're every type and you have all the uniqueness and breath of being human, which encompasses all the types. However, in crisis, you are one type. And that type is probably the same type you were when you were five years old. So, when something bad happened when you were five, did you get really mad and start blaming people and kind of dig yourself into a whole where no one wanted to help you?


Did you think of all the millions of other horrible things that could happen to you? That's anger, anxiety. Did you pull the covers over your head and say "Oh, I can't do anything about it anyway." Or did you do something completely unrelated and not useful just to keep yourself busy? That's the denial type. So, everybody has a different response and usually it's the very same response you had when you were five years old.
Kelly: So, what are the four types?
Laura: Rage, and I want to talk about rage in a moment cause rage gets a bad name and they're juicy. Rage, denial, anxiety and depression. Now, female rage types by the way, are interesting. If you are a woman and overweight, and have joint problems and are fairly active, so you're always doing something for someone. Or taking care of someone and putting your own needs last, chances are you're a rage type. You may think you're a depression type, but you're not.


You're a rage type, because it is so not tolerated in our society for women to be outwardly, overtly rage full.
Kelly: I know men are allowed to be angry, but women...
Laura: Right, but it doesn't help them either. You know rage is very shame based. And with the poor male rage type, something goes wrong and they blow up, then nobody wants to help them. But the rage types are the very type, who when you want to have a safety program in your neighborhood, are able to rally everyone together with their passion and go door to door. You know they have so much passion to work with. I think every type has a gift.


Rage types have the hardest time of all because their crisis response is basically to punch everything around them. Whether they do it physically or whether they do it metaphorically. Or whether they do it through blame. Or, you know, if this person doesn't say they're sorry, I'm never going to talk to them again.


Whatever they do, or what they tend to do is isolate themselves. And isolation is the absolute worst enemy in crisis. Because in crisis, we need community and by the way in crisis, your community may be totally new. I went from being a married woman to a divorced woman and my community was very different. I would reach for my married community and 80 percent of it wouldn't be there. Where as there was a whole community as a divorced woman that I found and a whole lot of abilities and gifts and support that I found. That was very helpful to have.


So, every crisis has a community and it's so important to name your crisis. All crisis have multi layer, cause it's kind of like when you hurt your foot then your knee starts hurting, or your hip starts hurting. When one thing goes wrong, then other things go wrong with it. And part of what "Welcome To Your Crisis" does, is help you nip that in the bud and then turn that crisis around and use that energy in a dynamic, creative and conscious way.


And by conscious, I mean to be able to say the words: "I want. This is what I want," and to take your focus off of what you've lost. There is a time...My mother's favorite song. Remember that song "To everything, turn, turn, turn, there is a season, turn, turn, turn...
Kelly: Mm Hmm.
Laura: ...and a time for every purpose under heaven." There is a time to weep, and there's a time to laugh. But when you are in crisis and a lot of things begin to go wrong in your life, it's very important to know your type.


It's very important to keep your mind on the moment and it's very important to embrace exactly where you are with as logical a mind as you can muster. Because, what happens often to people, when they're in crisis is intuitively and emotionally all their attention goes to what they've lost. They have nothing left to build with what they have. Often what they have is more than what they had before, because it gets uncovered in crisis.


I've written five books, a "New York Times" bestseller. I now get to make my living in my pajamas, which is pretty cool, I'd say so myself. I would never have uncovered that gift without a crisis. Without having to have a new baby, and no money, and no husband, and think, "Oh my God. What am I going to do?" It never would have happened.
Kelly: But one of the things that you said that's very interesting to me, is you said, "If you can know what you want." But the first thing that happens when someone is in a crisis, a big crisis or even an existential quiet crisis, is, "I don't know. I don't know what I want."
Laura: Exactly. Knowing what you want is when you do the circle. Crisis you're not up to what you want yet. In crisis, you have to start with, "Ok, what's left? What can I manage to do with it, and put one foot in front of the other?" If you do that, very quickly you'll get to, "Ok. Now I'm ok. Now I can ask 'what do I want'." But in crisis something...


I always think of crisis as a real death, and being transported to a completely different world. Because when there is a major change whether it's one you want or one that's been thrust upon you when there's a major change you are not the same person that you were. You just aren't. The same person you were didn't have that change.


You're not living in the same world. It may look exactly the same but it's changed. Your world is different and you're different. You need to embrace where you are and be able to use both your intellect and your intuition to find how to make it in that brave new world that you're in. That happens as quickly as you commit to it. The way we don't commit to it is by being pulled back to the past, even in thought.


I tell people to go on rumination diets. So, you can do your "Woulda, shoulda, coulda's" five minutes in the morning and five minutes at night. But when you find yourself doing it during the day you pull yourself back.


A really great way to pull yourself back is actually an exercise in the circle. Which is to just say, "What am I feeling? What am I tasting? What am I hearing? What am I feeling?" and, "What do I want to be feeling? What do I want to be seeing? Where do I want to be living?" Now you may not have the answers to all those questions, but if you try to get yourself to feel good things, often it will pinion you in the moment.


It's good to have kind of a memory catalog, because memories are complete gestalts of experience. So, find good memories. Not ones that have to do with your crisis. The memory that always gets my neurotransmitters on the right track is I remember the moment that they put my son in my arms.


For me, all I have to do is remember that moment, smell it, taste it, feel it, hear it, see it, know it. All I have to do is remember that moment and everything in me relaxes. Then I'm able to focus on the task of the current moment at hand. Which, when you're in crisis is often a difficult one. Don't expect it to be easy. Some of the best things that we've ever done were really hard to do.
Kelly: Laura, what are immediate steps that you recommend for a person in crisis?
Laura: Well, the first thing in crisis that you need to ask yourself is, "Am I safe?" Is someone hurting you? Do you have a place to stay? Do you have someone to talk to? Do you have food to eat? Do you have enough money? So, you really want to address safety both for yourself and for those depending on you. If you have a family, if you're a mother, you need to really just look at the black and white balance sheet of "Am I safe?"


Now it's funny, safety is an interesting thing. How do we really describe safety? Well, if you are in a deep depression, you are not safe, and your family is not safe. So, then the first thing to do on your "Am I safe?" list is get treatment. If you are living with an alcoholic, you are not safe; your family is not safe. You need to take action.


If you think you're about to lose your job I just had an email from one of my students who feels like she might lose her job you have to ask yourself, "Ok, am I safe? If I think I'm about to lose my job, no I'm not. So, what can I do, what actions, what groups can I access..."
Kelly: I want to go over the four types because we only did anger. You also mentioned these death traps, or the mental habits that you call death traps, and how not to give in to them.
Laura: The four types all give in to them in different ways and they get stuck in different ones. The four types once agai
n are: Rage, Anxiety, Depression, and Denial. The way I like to describe them is the person loses their job:


The rage type gets furious at everybody around them so nobody helps them anymore We'll make it a him, because the ones who show it are his.


The anxiety type shuts themselves in their house and worries about every possible thing that could happen, while calling every single person and asking for help and reassurance, but doing absolutely nothing to help them self.


The depression type doesn't even bother going and getting their Rolodex from their office, with all the numbers of the people who could help them, because they're too busy on their couch, immobile, with the covers pulled up over their head, they can't do anything to help anyway.


The denial type goes shopping for shoes and decides to redo their shoe closet. So, totally ignores the problem.


There are four different, unique responses to crisis, and everybody has one. Not that a denial type doesn't get angry, not that an angry type doesn't get fearful. But in crisis you are reacting through one type.


Now the things retribution, and recrimination, and rumination are the three death traps. Rumination is going back over, and over, and over. It's like you're trying to fix something in the past. You can't fix the past in the past. You can only fix the past in the present. So, it's very important, as we've said before, to keep your attention on the present.


Go on a rumination diet. Don't think about what you've lost. If you have to, do it five minutes in the morning, five minutes at night. Really, sit down and say: For five minutes I'm going to beat myself over the head and say, "I woulda, shoulda, coulda. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Woulda, shoulda..."
Kelly: [laughs] Woe is me...
Laura: But the rest of the time retrain your attention. Retrain it. Each type retrains it in a different way. Anger tries to retrain attention through activity, so go out and jog.


Denial types retrain attention through allowing themselves to connect with an emotion. So, call somebody you love, see a commercial that makes you cry, dance to a song. Close the door to your office and dance to a song while singing it. So, they retrain from the past through emotion.


Anxiety types need to actually get up and do something about something they're worried about. Something they can complete. So, even though anxiety types are worried if they lose their job they're worried about 50 years from now eating cat food, not having a penny, never having love, blah, blah, blah. The anxiety type has an amazing mind. In order to not ruminate, not get stuck in the past and all the things that went wrong, what they have to do something very simple. It could be get up and wash the dishes. Something very simple to make their situation better, but it needs to be an action.


Depression types; when a crisis hits, what they need to do before they do anything else is they need to ask for support and have even the smallest routine.


So, we're talking about how not to ruminate. We were talking about how each type gets in to one of the three death traps, which are: rumination, recrimination, and retribution. Rumination is when you're in the past. You're trying to fix things in the past, which you can't do. You can only fix them in the present.


So, when the depression type finds himself ruminating, he finds himself wandering back into the past, what they need to do is stick to their schedule and for depression type person, crisis schedule maybe get up, brush teeth, eat a piece of bread, go back to bed, get up, eat an egg, walk around the room three times. Maybe tiny, you must, must have a routine.


It is the friend of a depression type and it keep you in the presence and in everything you must do is ask people for support. It is very hard because depression type just retreats into self.
Kelly: It is true, I think crisis just by its nature causes one to retreat into one's self.
Laura: For everybody.
Kelly: Oh, yeah?
Laura: In denial type, when crisis hits, they are everywhere but inside themselves.
Kelly: That is true.
Laura: They are helping everyone out, they are shopping, they are taking care of everyone else's problems. Meanwhile, their lives are falling apart. It really depends, so you just prove to us that you are not a denial type. It really is different for every type and of course we all think that everybody is like us but it is not true.


We got a lot of different stripes, like different colors in this rainbow and you got to have a sense of what type you are. Now, retribution is a very interesting one. I do not have a judgment on whether you should get them dead or not.
Kelly: In a sense Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Laura: Right, exactly. I do not have a judgment on that.
Kelly: Make my day.
Laura: Yeah, make my day but what I do know is that when you are on crisis, you can not get even. You can not get even because when you are in crisis, you are weaker than you were before you were in crisis until you get a hand off.


So, when I say that retribution and retribution is really the desire to heal. Oddly enough, retribution is the desire to make things fair again, to make them right again. So, even though you know then, there has not been a very bad name, really, the spiritual impulse for it is the desire for wholeness, for being made whole.


What you need to remind yourself is, if you want revenge, the time to get it is when you are strong again. Say you give up on it before your revenge fantasies on hold until after when you are strong again. They will only poison you and it is so funny because people always want things to be made right by the exact person who hurt them, the water that poisons you will not cure you.
Kelly: Oh, it's so true.
Laura: And it is very important not to look to the situation for people who hurt us to heal us. So, that is retribution. And recrimination is, you know, you should not have done that, I should not have done that. It is really the placing of blame. And blame I think that in the sense we speak about blame, we are speaking about control.


Now, maybe, in your own situation, and in your crisis, something or someone else had control but you are objected to get true real crisis into a much better life than the one you had before is to not take the blame yourself but take the power yourself. It does not matter whose fault it is, it does not matter why it happened.


What matters is what you can do right now for you and the people you love. That is all that matters and it is discipline. Crisis takes discipline. People always say, "Oh, I'm in crisis, so I'm going to give up my exercise. Oh, I'm in crisis, so I'm going to let myself go." No. Crisis is actually the moment where you can not let yourself go. Crisis is the moment where you need to really make every effort to do it all right. When things are going fine, then you can let it all go.
Kelly: Laura, what do you recommend we do when our friend or family member is in crisis?
Laura: Well, you know, crisis is, first of all, a communicable disease. It is more contagious than the flu. It really is. One person in the family or in the workplace or any community goes into crisis, then it is like dominoes.
Kelly: Really?
Laura: Oh, absolutely. Let us think about it.
Kelly: I work mostly alone, so I do not know. I work with people at a distance.
Laura: You know, even in the family...
Kelly: In the family.
Laura: Someone gets upset or someone gets mad at another... your angry type gets mad at someone else in the family and all of a sudden, you are involved. I knew reacting from your type. So, people catch crisis in any kind of contact or community. Very few people are really, unless you are truly alone on the North Pole, nobody is not in the community, maybe an online community, whatever community, you are in the community.


When one person is in crisis, everyone goes into crisis, unless you do what you should be doing everyday. Which is knowing your crisis type and doing the positive things to maintain health.


Now, when someone you love is in crisis, and they go into this then walk them to the crisis, because you know a lot of managers and businesses to solve because someone goes into crisis, you do not realize that crisis type, you go into your own kind of crisis and you all work against each other.


If you know people's crisis type, if you know what your anger, if you know your anger type boss needs to work out more, maybe in order to release the anger and put that energy into positive growth, maybe the whole office chip in for his or her birthday and get a stationary bicycle in the office. You know I mean there are so many things you can do.


If your anxiety type is in crisis, what you can do is to say, "OK, why don't we all just sit down together right now, with a cup of hot cocoa, I'm going to help you get this taxes done" for example. You know that it really depend on type, but once you know what someone's type is, you know how to help them. And of course, when someone around you is in crisis, you have to take care of your self and do the thing that heal your own type.


I mean, welcome to both, welcome to crisis and the circle our way of life. You know, they are way of focusing everyday on creating what you want to create and protecting yourself and nourishing yourself in the way that you are empowered to create those things. Because we really are, human beings are so powerful.


I realized that a lot of time we all feel like the lowest pond scum you know in the swamp. But the reality is even if you feel that way, there are still a lot to you. And working with crisis helps you deal if you what you do have, even if you can not feel or see it yet, to create a life that you really want.
Kelly: Hey Laura, we are getting toward the end of the hour. And here, you have got a few websites, I want you to be able to share them with everyone.
Laura: It is www.practicalintuition.com is one and you can exchange intuitively things and there is an audio instruction to help you do a reading or healing, you can put yourself on a healing list. Also www.welcometoyourcrisis.com and I go on that site a lot and respond to people's crisis. There are also audio experiences to help each of the type. Once again if you are not sure what type you are, try the audio experience for the two types you think you may be. And the experience that works will tell you, will tell you the type. Nobody sees my email except for me, by the way. So, feel free to email me and that is available on the site.
Kelly: Thank you, Laura. It has been wonderful as always having you on the show.
Laura: Thank you, so much. I enjoyed it, as always.
Kelly: OK. Again, Laura's website is at www.welcometoyourcrisis.com. My guest next week is Harvard trained research scientist Dr. Sarah Mednick. If you want to find out the latest research on how to improve your memory, increase creativity, elevate mood, enhance libido in only 20 minutes a day, join me next week. Thanks for listening, until next time. Be well.
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