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Manifestation and Spring Equinox

Kelly Hammel: Welcome back to Theater of the Mind, your host, Kelly Hammel. Our show today is with Barbara Hand Clow. Barbara is a Mayan elder, Cherokee record keeper, and a ceremonial teacher. She is author of the "Mayan Code", "The Alchemy of Nine Dimensions", and "The Pleiadian Agenda", among others. I asked Barbara to come back and talk to us today about how we can best make use of the energies on the upcoming Spring Equinox, March 20th. Barbara, welcome to the show.
Barbara Hand Clow: Hi Kelly, how are you?
Kelly: It's great to have you back. I'm great.
Barbara: Yeah, I'm glad to be here.
Kelly: So, tell us what we can do with the Spring Equinox energies?
Barbara: Well, there's two ways to look at the Spring Equinox, and I think we have time to do both of them. One of them is to examine the chart every year to see what it says about what's going to be happening for three months, and I'd like to do that secondly, in other words, really try to look at what spring you can access after March 20th, this Spring. The other thing about the Spring Equinox that's really critical is that we, in Western cultures in the World at this point, have our timing completely screwed up. The year actually starts right at the Spring Equinox when the Sun goes into Aries, which is either March 20th or 21st at this point, and when the Sun goes into Aries the whole Zodiac cycle begins at that point, and then what happens with it, is for three months we start new projects and new things in life, and I'm going to give a teaching about how to do that right at the Spring Equinox.
What happens is we create new projects and new ideas during the spring season, and then during the summer, we deepen and intensify them and enrich them. Then, when we go to the Fall Equinox, we balance what we've been creating during the spring and summer. Then, the winter period from the Winter Solstice, which is around December 21st. The winter point for three months is supposed to be a time of contemplation and adjustment to what we're creating.
So, what happens, because of the way the calendars are all screwed up, it's just at the time of the year when we're supposed to be in deep contemplation about what we've been doing for the last nine months, instead we do New Years Day, January 1st, and everybody is supposed to make new resolutions and create things in a new way and nobody can do anything because the timing is all off.
Kelly: That makes perfect sense.
Barbara: It really makes sense. Then much more significantly is, one of the things that happens to people is that year by year by year, instead of going through the normal process of manifesting in the spring, and then deepening your creations, and then balancing, and then process of contemplation. What happens is that every time people try to get that process going it doesn't work.
About 25 years ago, I started teaching groups to work with the Spring Equinox, and basically the way this is done, it's extremely simple. Right at the time of the Spring Equinox, which Pacific Standard Time is at about one o'clock in the afternoon on March 20th. The timing of the Equinox in different because of time changes, you have to find out what your local time is.
What you want to do, is you want to start right now, right now it's around March 4th, you want to start thinking about in early to midMarch, about what you want to create during 2008, an into 2009, so that when the day of the Equinox comes, what you want to do is you want to write down three things that you'd like to manifest that year. Whether it's your career, your family, or a creative project. What you want to do is write down three things that you want to create, and then right at the time of the Equinox, take out the things you've written down, and you can even write them down at that point if you want to if you can remember them. Right at the time of the Equinox, you want to focus on those three things you want to create, tune into them. Get a good sense of what they are and what they mean for you.
Once you have a really strong sense of those three things you want to create, shut your eyes, and you go into meditation for a while, and you deepen your understanding of what you want to create.
Another thing that I do when I am teaching people is I teach them a very special technique for how to really intensify this energy, which I'll give you on the air. By the way this has never been on the air before and it's not in print.
Sit down with those three things you want to create, and then you visualize them one by one. As you visualize them, first you see yourself creating it, you have a little movie of yourself creating whatever it is, and as your seeing that movie, it's in front of your head, it's in front of your third eye. Once you can see yourself creating what you want to create, then you imagine you have a television screen on the back of your neck, it's called your medulla oblongata, it's a very powerful part of the brain. You transfer that vision of what you're going to create to that television screen in the back of your brain. You simply see it in the back of your brain, and then you say, "So be it, I will create it." You do that with each one of those three intentions. You do all three and then you just forget it.
For years, I've been writing these things down and putting them in a little box and then, whamo, in March, my life starts taking off. I kind of watch it in the summer, I sort of forget about it in the fall, and then winter comes around, I get out those intentions again, and I look back to see what happened. All I can say Kelly, is that it's miraculous and so astonishing.
Kelly: Wow.
Barbara: We've been doing it for 20 years now and I think a lot of people who know anything about what Barbara and Jerry Clow are doing would agree that we've done a lot. We ran Barren Company in Santa Fe for 18 years.
Kelly: I remember that.
Barbara: I've published 10 books, I teach all over the place, and we have a family with four children. We have a very complicated life, and we have no problem easily creating what we want every year. It's just the most astonishing technique.
Kelly: I read somewhere about that bringing, I've read so many books on visualization, and I can't remember who's research that came from, where you bring the visualization to the back of the brain.
Barbara: Yeah, I can tell you who's that is, it's Robert Fritz's.
Kelly: Robert Fritz, that's who it was. OK, great.
Barbara: What happened with this is that years and years ago I studied DMA.
Kelly: I did too Barbara. I did too.
Barbara: Oh, interesting.
Kelly: I love DMA.
Barbara: Yeah. I've been using DMA since 1982 when I took the course.
Kelly: Isn't that the best?
Barbara: Yeah. But, I want to warn you. If you combine this particular visualization technique with the Spring Equinox, you've got to be very careful about what you're thinking about. You've got to really be careful that you're really prepared to take on the energy of whatever it is you're creating. Because I'll tell you something, it works. And it's really spooky. This last year Jerry and I both just got our minds blown recently, because this last year we've had to create a lot of complicated Real Estate transactions, because we've been accepted in Canada. In Vancouver. So we had to buy an apartment, and we had to do all this stuff. And so I was having this terrible struggle with doing it, because in the spring of this year I had written an intention not to make any changes in our housing, because we wouldn't be getting into Canada for a couple of years.
Well then what happened, is much to our great shock. We were told it would take us three or four years to get into Canada. But instead, we got into Canada during the summer, which completely shocked us. And so the minute we got into Canada, all I wanted to do was the Real Estate work. And so when I got my little box out, which I couldn't get because it was way, way down in Venezuela. When I finally got my little box my third intention said, "No changes in home and property except if Canada accepts you this year, and you could go ahead and do that." So that energy of that clear intention was so strong that it just worked out perfectly.
Kelly: It's very important that we really know what we want, before we move into that energy and ask for it. Like you said, you just have to be very careful what you ask for because you're going to get it.
Barbara: Regardless of this technique, and regardless of DMA, a lot of people are realizing now that what's in their brains is what creates reality. And the more you play around with that, and you start to watch what you're thinking about, and then what goes on out there, the more you realize that every single thought in your head has to be very carefully monitored. The Pleiadians call it owning your head. And so, then if you take this technique, and you use a technique like this without being careful about what you're creating, you're going to get something... Like if you create a gold Cadillac for yourself, you'll actually get one. Who wants it?
Kelly: [laughs] Who wants that? Who wants to pay for the gas?
Barbara: Please.
Kelly: Yeah. I visualized once in my DMA years, in the early 80's, and I visualized a boyfriend. And the way I visualized it was, lots of flowers and beautiful romantic cards. Well, I came home one day and there were flowers outside the gate to my apartment, and a little card, and it was from a cab driver who had taken me home.
Barbara: [laughs] Yeah.
Kelly: And then it was awful, because every day I would come home, and there were flowers there. My whole little studio apartment was loaded with flowers. And finally I left a note on my door saying, "Please stop." [laughs]
Barbara: [laughs] Exactly. Yeah, one time I really needed somebody to help me in the house. So I manifested somebody who would come and would be in the house, from 3:30 to 6:00. Get the kids to school, and watch them, and cook dinner, and all that kind of stuff. And also do the laundry, but I didn't clarify whose laundry. So I produced this absolutely wonderful person who cooked dinner, got the kids and took care of them, and every day she brought her laundry!
Kelly: [laughs] OK, so we have to be very careful about what mental movies we're running, right?
Barbara: That's right. So what I'm advising here is for people to consider creating three intentions and meditating with them at the spring equinox. You don't even have to use the DMA technique, just tuning by itself accomplishes a lot. And then allowing it to deepen in the summer, you'll find yourself, if you do it, you'll find that all of the stuff you need to pull together to make it happen comes to you in the spring, and then in the summer you're filling it out. Then balancing in the fall, and then contemplation in the winter.
And the other thing this creates once you get into this cycle, is then the winter under... during Capricon, Pisces and Aquarius Aquarius and Pisces becomes a really, really special time of the year, because then you're into meditation and contemplation at the time of the year that you should be.
You know, now there's a catch here Kelly.
Kelly: What's the catch?
Barbara: If you get in to doing this, you will fall into such a deep spiritual state usually for me it's around December 18th, because the winter solstice is December 21st so usually as that solstice energy comes on, that's the point of course when the sun is least light, what's happening with the winter solstice, we're coming up to the point where the light's going to turn. And so when we get to that point of that deep, depp darkness, I always go into a state of just natural contemplation and meditation which, for me, is very deep and very spiritual and very intense. Problem is, I can't handle Christmas. I have the worst time with Christmas, because Christmas and New Years, and the way people play it out in western culture is completely counterproductive to the way our natural energy flow is moving.
Kelly: I always... it's around Easter I was brought up a Catholic and it's around Easter that I find meditating so deep. And I always thought it was because so many people were praying and meditating, but now that you talk about the spring equinox, I realize, "oh, that's the energies right then."
Barbara: Yeah, that's right.
Kelly: Oh, now can we let people in on DMA a little bit, since you brought it up?
Barbara: Yeah I think so, I don't know what's going on with DMA. First of all, Robert Fritz taught the course for years, and you may recall it was quite expensive. You had to buy a bunch of tapes, and they had it all very controlled. He was making a lot of money off of it. But then he wrote a book where he described the technique.
Kelly: Oh he did! I never even saw that book.
Barbara: I know, I discovered it quite by accident, you know, somehow. So I got his book and read it, and I found that just by reading his book, I could learn the technique. So then suddenly instead of paying $600 or whatever it was for level one or level two DMA, suddenly the book came out. And I think it's still in print, I'm not sure, but people can certainly look up Robert Fritz and DMA on the Internet and see what's going on.
Kelly: Yeah, I think that's one of the best courses for manifestation out there, actually.
Barbara: I think it's absolutely the best one. Because also, it also teaches you how to watch out for what's in your head. In other words, Fritz is teaching you that, you remember how whenever you manifest something, you always say "if I could have it, would I take it."
Kelly: Exactly.
Barbara: Remember that?
Kelly: Mhm.
Barbara: And instantly when you say that to yourself, you either go "no, " or you go "yes!"
Kelly: Well that's a good question for everyone to ask themselves.
Barbara: Yeah, so at the time of the Spring Equinox, once you come up with an intention, you should say to yourselves, "if I could have it, would I take it?" And out goes the gold Cadillac when you realize you'd rather have a Prius. Or something like that.
Kelly: [laughter] And it's also spring. It's the time to sow our seeds.
Barbara: Actually, in my experience so far, what happens is as soon as we go into the Winter Solstice, we go into Capricorn, which is very philosophical and very deep. So people start really tuning into, "what am I doing, how to set fit with the family and with everybody else and with the culture and with the world." Then when we go into Aquarius, in January and February, what happens during Aquarius is we start learning how to flow. Aquarius is all about just flowing. So during that Aquarian period we start loosening up. We start kind of moving. Then I think the seeds are actually planted during Pisces.
Kelly: OK.
Barbara: As soon as that sun goes into Pisces, that early sense of spring and that early sense of the new growth starts, and I think that's actually when we start to get that sense of planting seeds. But the key is, keep your seeds in the bag until spring.
Kelly: I like that. Now, where can people go to find out the time of the Spring Equinox?
Barbara: I don't know exactly what to say. All the astrology magazines have it. A lot of people's calendars have it. It changes hour by hour according to your time zone.
Kelly: Hey Barbara, off topic, speaking of different times. We just had that eclipse, the lunar eclipse.
Barbara: Right.
Kelly: What's your take on the whole business with them shooting a spy satellite down at the exact peak of the eclipse?
Barbara: I noticed that too. And I thought that was kind of strange.
Kelly: Wasn't that bizarre?
Barbara: I thought it was strange and I had kind of a feeling that it had something to do with Star Wars testing and quite a few people said that that is what was actually going on. And the astrology is really, really intense right now. We can talk about that a little bit, but one of the things we have to understand is, we know Ronald Reagan had 12 astrologers working for him. So Bush probably has 50.
Kelly: Do you think he does?
Barbara: Understand, I would not of course work for a President, especially George Bush. But, we have to understand that governments and people in positions of power use astrology all the time. The reason the culture debunks astrology is to keep it for the big boys so that the regular person doesn't use it. It's getting to be really critical to start understanding astrology.
Kelly: Well I got to tell you when I read that it was the exact peak of the eclipse, I thought this is too much to be an accident.
Barbara: Yes, exactly, and it is. For example this Spring Equinox is the sixth anniversary of the war in Iraq. So, Bush has had the United States and everybody else involved in Iraq, for six years now. Which is disgusting. Well that is we're going into the sixth year, since 2003 and it's 2008. But let's go back to March 20th 2003. What did Bush do? He started the war in Iraq right at the Spring Equinox. When he did that, I was absolutely horrified. Then I knew that it would go on and on and on.
Kelly: So is that when they did "shock and awe" and started bombing?
Barbara: That's when they went in and invaded Iraq. Right at the Spring Equinox in 2003. A lot of people call it "the Spring Equinox war" because of that. I certainly do. But when I watch what they do, and by the way, I have a website www.handclow2012.com, and on my website I analyze, what I do is I analyze all the new moons and the seasons. I also take a little bit of time and try to figure out what the global elite, or what I call "the Bushites" are going to be doing for a particular period of time.
Kelly: Well, so far your predictions in the Mayan code are pretty accurate Barbara.
Barbara: Yeah, they are actually. That's kind of shocking.
Kelly: I look at the news and I go, "Barbara was right." [laughter]
Barbara: I know and see, let's let make sure that people who are listening understand what we're talking about here. My latest book, I actually did two books this year, but the most important book this year is called "The Mayan Code: Time Acceleration and Awakening the World Mind", and in the Mayan Code, I did a series of predictions from 1999 through 2011 A.D. So since I turned in the manuscript in 2006, then everything after that is a prediction versus an analysis. So the book analyzes stuff up until 2006. Then it attempts to figure out what might be happening in 2007, 2008, 2009. So far it has been stunningly accurate.
Kelly: It has, it has.
Barbara: Which means it isn't about me and astrology or anything. This is about understanding the Mayan calendar and working with Carl Johan Calleman's system. In other words, in the book, I'm actually working with a new understanding of the Mayan calendar that came to us from the Swedish biologist Carl Calleman.
Kelly: Yes, we did a show on that and a lot of people have commented and loved that show.
Barbara: So what I do, what's a little bit unique about what I do, is I use Calleman's method for analyzing the calendar. Plus, astrology. When you put the two of those together, the results are dynamite. So on my website what I do is I constantly post predictions and analysis based on using both astrology and Mayan calendar analysis.
Kelly: Do you have any workshops coming up Barbara?
Barbara: Actually, I'm not teaching much this year. I'm teaching, and by the way, the reason I'm not teaching much this year is because of the Mayan calendar.
Kelly: What seeds are in your bag?
Barbara: Well, this is a very tough year. You've probably noticed that and probably a lot of other people have noticed it.
Kelly: It's a hard year. Everyone is going through something.
Barbara: Because we have a big family and a lot of responsibilities, we're only teaching like four or five times. For people who want to know where we're teaching, it's on the website. I did a big tour in October and November last fall. I went all the way from Southern California all the way up through Oregon and Washington. At that point when I finished that, I basically am not teaching much this year. There's just too much to worry about right now.
Kelly: And it's good to take a break. I feel like going inward this year.
Barbara: That's what I feel like too. You have to do that. You can't keep going full tilt all the time. What goes on on the website is the analysis of the new moon every month and a lot of people know about that and they tune in a couple days early. Then an analysis of the seasons and it's all free. It's just my give away because I think it's so important to get this information out there.
So I'm not looking at this for house positions because wherever you go it all changes because of timing. So I'm just looking at the aspects between the planets. Just in case anybody's an astrologer out there and is wondering what I'm doing. So when we look at a given seasonal chart, first we look at the sun because the meaning of the season is at the Spring Equinox. The sun goes into Aries. At the Summer solstice it goes into cancer. So first we look for zero degrees Aries to see what's going on.
In this year's Spring Equinox chart the sun going into Aries is squaring Mars in Cancer. That has meaning which is basically a lot of stress over security, a lot of stress about using power and also a lot of change regarding using power. But, in order to look at that sun squared Mars we need to also look at what's been going on with Mars for the last six months because Mars has been in a deep retrograde direction going direct process during the last six months.
Every couple years when you look up in the sky it looks like Mars is going backwards, and that's called Mars retrograde. And so, when the Mars retrograde occurs it creates a whole lot more energy about power and control in relation to the sign its retrograding in. So, first of all I'm trying to remember timing on this. I'm trying to think. Mars... let me see if I can remember this. Mars, back in midNovember 2007, it had retrograded back to the United States Mars. Now, what on earth am I talking about?
Well, as astrologers we use a chart for the birth of the United States in 1776, and we look at what's going on with the USA chart. Whenever we see an aspect to the Mars in the USA chart, then we know that there's probably going to be something going on regarding the US being aggressive in the world.
And so, this year what happened was Mars in the sky went back to the USA Mars in the middle of November of 2007, and what's been happening is it's been creating a lot of issues over the United States being very aggressive in the world which, I think, most people would probably be fairly comfortable with that idea. Well, what's significant about Mars at the Spring Equinox is Mars has gone direct at this point. It's gone out of Gemini. It has come back into Cancer, and during the Spring Equinox Mars is exact conjunct the USA Jupiter. That's the location of Jupiter back in 1776.
This tells us that we are going to have severe financial stress in the United States during the whole spring, not a positive aspect at all.
Kelly: Well, that's what is happening. It's pretty depressing.
Barbara: Yeah, well, you see, Mars has already retrograded over this position, and it's too complicated kind of verbally to show you all those Mars transits, but the Mars and Cancer transits have been the key to the housing crisis and the financial crisis because Cancer rules security and being at home. And with Mars transiting that part... see, normally Mars goes through a sign in two months, but if you get a retrograde pattern you've got six months of it. And that's why this is so intense and that's why it is so long.
Kelly: So, with your crystal ball of astrology and the Mind calendar, do you see a time when things are going to ease up economically?
Barbara: Oh, yeah, in a couple of years.
Kelly: Oh, not for a few years, huh?
Barbara: No, this is a really big karma thing that is going on right now because another thing that we're watching very closely right now is that did you know that the sun sign in George Bush's chart is exactly the same degree as the USA sun?
Kelly: No.
Barbara: In other words, George Bush's sun sign in Cancer is exact conjunct the USA sign. So, what goes on with Bush is nobody can see what he is doing because he mirrors the energy of the country. Do you sort of follow what I mean?
Kelly: Yeah.
Barbara: Well, right now Mars is on the USA Jupiter, but it's going to go back to the Bush USA sun again. I'm trying to remember when that is going to be. It's hard to remember all of these dates. It's like in another four or five weeks it's going to be back on the Bush USA sun. One of the things that people often say to me because at this point I'm a Canadian, but Europeans often get very upset about talking about the United States all the time.
Kelly: Well, and so do Americans.
Barbara: Yeah. But, unfortunately, because of the astrology we can't avoid it. Right now, the United States is just simply very, very prominent in the world and having a very, very, unfortunately, too strong influence on what's happening for everybody else.
Kelly: When will that ease up?
Barbara: Those kind of influences are on for a couple more years.
Kelly: Wow!
Barbara: I think you read the Mind code, and I think you know this. The United States part of it does start to lessen in 2009, but the patterns that have gotten into play, the issue of the United States' empire, those are still playing out. Now, at this point they are playing out by the United States becoming weaker. In other words, if we go back to 1999 or 2000 or 2001, the United States is becoming very aggressive and very strong where at this point the United States is actually weakening.
Kelly: Yes.
Barbara: Particularly economically.
Kelly: Is there anything else that you want to tell us on leaving?
Barbara: Well, it's just that regarding the Spring Equinox as a whole this is not going to be an easy spring. I wish I could say otherwise. We just advise people to really rest a lot. Take care of yourself. Get out in nature. Make sure you're eating really well. Do everything you can not to be stressed because you can do a lot individually to avoid these levels of stress, but they are going to be out there.
Kelly: Yeah, I know certainly from myself I have my good days and my bad days, and I do feel a heaviness of energy.
Barbara: Now, that heaviness that you feel is actually going to ease up a little bit in May, and the reason for that is according to Columna's system we're in the middle of Night five right now. We go into the second half of Night five in May, and it's going to feel a lot better.
Kelly: Oh, good.
Barbara: So, some things are going to lift like that, but one thing that's not going to lift is the economic tension. People have really got to take care of business.
Kelly: Hunker down, get out of debt, you know.
Barbara: Right. Mow your garden this spring, too. This is a good one for us.
Kelly: Oh, good. So, tell us your website address again, Barbara.
Barbara: Www.handclow2012.com.
Kelly: Hey, Barbara, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Barbara: OK, and have a happy Spring Equinox and enjoy your Easter eggs.
Kelly: Alright, you too. OK. Take care.
Barbara: OK. Bye.
Kelly: Bye.
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