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Kelly Howell: Welcome once again to "Theater of the Mind". I'm your host, Kelly Howell. In light of the chaos going on all around the world, I'm thinking that now's a good time for us to collectively begin to imagine that there is a divine reason and higher purpose for all the events unfolding before us, and that in the midst of chaos, we are moving into a higher order. It may not look like it right now, but there are many, many people, and teachers, and shamans and healers around the world that see this is what's happening. As old structures crumble, there's a huge opportunity for us to move into a new vibration. To talk about this, my guest is author, teacher, and filmmaker, Sharron Rose.

Sharron is a Fulbright Senior Research Scholar in World Mythology, Religion and the Sacred Arts. She is the writer and director of the documentary, "2012 The Odyssey". For the past 30 years, she has worked in the field of education, and the esoteric arts to investigate and integrate, and impart the knowledge and wisdom of ancient and traditional cultures throughout the world.

This work has taken her across the planet, and has been disseminated through classes, lectures, workshops, film, and video. For more information about Sharron, you can visit her website at www.sharronrose.com or sacredmysteries.com.

Hey Sharron, welcome to the show.

Sharron Rose: It's a pleasure to be with you.

Kelly: Yeah, it's great. It's great to have you on the show. I loved your movie, "2012 The Odyssey". You went on quite a journey.

Sharron: [laughs] Thank you very much.

Kelly: Yeah. What inspired you to make that movie?

Sharron: I was with Jay Weidner, my husband, who had done significant research into the subject from the Alchemical and Astra‑masonic perspective. And we knew John Major Jenkins and his significant work on the Mayan calendar, and also Alberto Villoldo's and the message of Q'ero Shamans of Peru. All of which, point to the same time period. And we were thinking about doing this film, particularly, to make sure that there were no misconceptions about the 2012 date, particularly the fear days... [laughs]

Kelly: Right. The two camps: the catastrophe or ecstasy.

Sharron: Well, it's funny that you mentioned because we were walking through the park by the beach in Seattle, Jay was holding Geoff Stray's book, "Beyond 2012, Catastrophe or Ecstasy".

Kelly: Oh really, that's a book, that's great.

Sharron: And a man was riding by on a bicycle, and he looked at us, and then went on. And then all of a sudden, he just stopped and made a beeline for us, and said, "What is that?" Jay showed him the book, and he said, "That is something, I really want to know about." So that really made the decision for us. And since then, it's been an incredible journey for me.

Kelly: Well, the movie is great because you pulled together all the experts. And so, who do you have in it, you have Jose Arguelles...

Sharron: And Greg Braden and Jay and John Jenkins and Geoff Strayay.

Kelly: Yeah, and I think it's great for people who just want to get familiar with the whole concept and the overview, and the real meaning of 2012. It's a great video.

Sharron: Yes, and the information we had was so compelling that we decided to make the sequel of Timewave 2013; which is extremely powerful because at the end of the first movie, I met the Q'ero Shamans of Peru, who told us about the prophecy of the Pachacuti‑ the world turning over in 2012. And it was so compelling, and their presence was so compelling, that we decided to go to Peru. And so, the second movie was sitting in ceremony with them; doing a ceremony to dispel all the negativity that is encompassing our world.

And then, not only did I interview John Jenkins and Alberto, but women like Jean Houston and Riane Eisler, and then Whitley Streiber. And Timewave is really timely; it really speaks to what's going on now. When I watched the films; we were just at a film festival where they were screened in Germany, and the economic meltdown was going on at the same time.

Kelly: Well yeah, I wanted to ask you about that. In light of the whole current financial crisis, how does this fit into the prophecy?

Sharron: Well, all of them say that we are going to be going through a time of great purification, change, turmoil, as we move towards a higher vibration of the light. So, at the end of Timewave, the Q'ero shamans are actually talking about... you know, there is war. There will be more war. People will be drawn into it. Countries that are not even involved will be drawn in. And how all the shamans are coming together to pray that this does not happen.

I think the main point of it all, that I'm learning from them, is that we are at a crossroads. We have a choice. Every one of us has a choice. And the choice is just blatant now, in front of us. What we are going to do with our lives and the planet.

Kelly: And for individuals, what is that choice?

Sharron: That choice is really that path of love, or the path of fear. And so, I think that it's time for us to really wake up. And a lot of people say that they don't want to hear about the difficult things that are going on. They just want to live in this kind of, to me, illusory world. But that can't happen. It's time. Every one of us has to really put your feet on the ground, get in your body, and look at what's going on. And then, once we come to grips with what's going on; ecologically and socially and in all of these different ways and systems, then we can, from a very clear and centered perspective, look for ways to shift all this. And turn it into the kind of world that is a world of beauty, harmony and truth. One that I think in their hearts, everyone really wants. Who wants to be involved in these wars?

Kelly: Wars, and the destruction of the planet, and all the consumerism, and the waste, and...

Sharron: Yes. I've been reading from the eco‑feminist perspective, and Riane Eisler's work points to what she calls the "dominator culture", and this causing... It's not only that, it's the betrayal of the body itself; the thought that the body is not part of nature, that humans are separate somehow, from nature and the planet. And I think that we have to understand that it is through these incredible vehicles of our bodies, that we live, and that we thrive. We have to come back in, instead of having our thoughts all the way out on the telephones, on the cell phones, with the TV. Just interact one‑to‑one from our hearts with each other. Free ourselves from this dominator trance, she calls it, that we're in, which really looks at the Earth itself as something to consume, something in many senses that we want to conquer and that we're alienated from.

What's so beautiful about the Shamans, is that they call themselves the Earth keepers. They are still in such deep connection with the Earth.

Kelly: God bless them, right?

Sharron: Yes.

Kelly: And they're praying for all of us.

Sharron: Not only the Earth, but all of the luminous realms. That's the other piece of this as this dominator model came in. We lost touch with our birth right, which is the knowledge that there is much more than what we see and can touch. There are layers and layers of luminosity and realms. That's our birth right to understand how to interact with.

Kelly: In the movie ‑‑ I can't remember which guest talked about it ‑‑ but the homo‑luminous. Could you explain that?

Sharron: Yes. That's the Q'ero, that's Alberto.

Kelly: Oh Alberto, right.

Sharron: Yes. The Q'ero say that in 2012, actually it's happening, happening now. There is this shift. We are going to evolve into this new species, which they call homo‑luminous. During that shift we will rediscover the capacities to completely heal ourselves and the planet, and recover the luminosity, the knowledge of these realms, and the luminous energy field. Once that happens we'll be able to see through time.

Kelly: Can you explain what you mean by that?

Sharron: See through time? They have the capacity from their Earth‑centered perspective, to be able to travel into the past and into the future to see. Like Nostradomus, a prophecy. From their knowledge of what they see, be able to make choices. They can see alternatives, and decide which way to go to make the best possible future. The book "The Mystery of 2012", which I have a chapter in, and Jay and the wonderful man John Blash who we had the privilege of interviewing for a new film we're doing. Greg Braden, Gene Huston, all these people in this book "The Mystery of 2012" also are speaking to all the same points and issues. It's also something besides our film that I really highly recommend.

Kelly: I've interviewed a number of guests from the book. "2012" is a great book.

Sharron: Yeah, yeah.

Kelly: Let's talk about the homo‑luminous, though, as we're moving closer to 2012, how might we notice that we're moving into this new species as individuals?

Sharron: Yes. Many people now are talking to me. We just had a big 2012 conference in San Francisco which was amazing. Especially because we had 50% of the people were under 40. It's their world, they're the ones that are really going to experience this homo‑luminous.

Kelly: Oh I know. When I hear my son talk about 2012 I go, "How do you know all of this stuff?" I know they have an intuitive sense of what's coming.

Sharron: So that's part of the shift into homo‑luminous. The energies are so, in some sense chaotic and in some sense incredible, as we go through this shifting. For me, it's purification of the heart, chakra and this reconnection of the mind and the heart. When that happens, we'll see from a heart‑centered perspective. On another level, John Jenkins brings up the galactic alignment. During that time ‑‑ and I write about this in "The Mystery of 2012" ‑‑ the Earth and the Sun and the center of the galaxy become aligned. When that happens, this energy, cosmic energy you can call it, this wave of energy flows from the center of the galaxy directly to us.

Kelly: Just for people who don't know, maybe you could explain. I think the last time this happened was 26,000 years ago.

Sharron: Yes.

Kelly: Doesn't it mark the end of the great cycle?

Sharron: Yes, the Procession of the Equinoxes. It also corresponds to the beginning of Age of the Aquarius. So all that 60s you know...

Kelly: Oh, so we haven't started the Age of Aquarius?

Sharron: No. At least that's what I've been told.

Kelly: Oh, OK. I thought when 'Hair' came out that was the beginning of it.

Sharron: Well what's interesting is we've had the privilege of speaking with about 15 of the top western astrologers for our new film about the astrology of 2012 and beyond. There is a Pluto‑Uranus square that's coming at that time, which is a reflection of the Pluto‑Uranus conjunction that took place in the 60s. But it's now a square. So that energy of the 60s, that was so expansive on every level, and Earth‑centered and heart‑centered will be coming back, but in this time of tremendous chaos. From all these different perspectives, we have now his opportunity to heal ourselves, heal the world, wake up to the higher levels of reality.

When I was at the conference, many people were coming up and talking to me about the dreams they're having, the meditations they're having, about the shifts that are coming. I think that's part of this transformation into homo‑luminous.

Kelly: A number of people mentioned in your movie that we would be becoming more telepathic.

Sharron: Oh yes, people are really talking about that. Not only that, but the occurrences of synchronicities that are getting really wild these days.

Kelly: Yeah, I love what Jose said about that synchronicity is a natural state.

Sharron: Oh yes.

Kelly: At least the Mayans thought of it that way. There will be more occurrences of synchronicities.

Sharron: Yes, Jose, I consider him a master magician.

Kelly: He is amazing! That was the first time I saw him and he's brilliant.

Sharron: Yes.

Kelly: And also he seems to be speaking from another dimension.

Kelly: He's had incredible training in the Tibetans' teachings as well as all of his research into the Mayans' teachings. He knew a lot about the Masonic tradition, too. It was very interesting. For me, it was, because I have a background in the Indo‑Tibetan traditions, it was the same kind of energy talking to him that I feel when I'm receiving an initiation. For me, that interview was the initiatory experience of this whole journey into 2012 that I have been on since that time.

He's the one who brought up the concept of the dream spell which I find very interesting. Which is similar to Riane's dominator trance, and Alberto calls it the cultural trance. They all say that we have been... the media, really since television, has perpetuated this trance that leads us to consumerism and to the destruction of the planet and greed, and that what we really have to do now is wake up and break free from that trance.

And when you watch a lot of the news, it's so fear‑based. And that's why we started our company too.

Kelly: And now they're yelling at everybody. All the newscasters are screaming and yelling; they've gotten so hysterical.

Sharron: And really perpetuating fear and it's the worst models of human behavior. [laughs]

Kelly: Oh, they are rude; most of them are rude. [laughter]

Kelly: Shaun Hannity and Bill O'Reilly, oh my goodness.

Rose: Well, they're all getting wee ...

Kelly: Yeah, well, what's the word? It's mediacracy.

Rose: Yes, that's what we have, we have a mediacracy. Well, that's interesting because I was with my mother recently; whose in her 80s and her women's group... A reporter came to talk to them, who used to be on TV in the '60s and '70s. And he told them that it's completely different now that reporters are just given sheets of paper to read from whoever the powers that be in that station are. And they don't have the opportunity to do the kinds of deep research that they used to do, or speak from anything but the party line.

And that's really sad, that's really sad. Why can't we have at least a balance? They say, "fair and balanced," but where's the balance about with the wonderful things that are happening?

So you would think that there is a force that really wants to bring on Armageddon. We get inundated now with calls, we were on the phone yesterday with a woman from CNN, and they're doing some kind of 2012 doomsday.

And they don't want ‑‑ we will go on and on about the opportunity that this moment ‑‑ every crisis creates opportunity, and the amazing ingenuity of human beings to come through crisis and create new ways of being, and using new technologies. But they don't ‑‑ they want to perpetuate this fear, and we just keep...

Kelly: Well, it keeps people paralyzed and sitting in front of their TVs.

Sharron: Yes, and of course then they're completely alienated from nature and from each other. [laughs]

Kelly: Well, I think that's one of the big choices we have to make individually is right now ‑‑ is to choose to buy into the whole media drama. I know there are people suffering out in the world. Sharron Oh, yes.

Kelly: However, there is also a lot of beautiful things going on in the world right now.

Sharron: Oh, when I was at the conference with all the young people, they are creating, you know, in their minds, in their hearts have desire for this world of great possibility and beauty. And they are doing all kinds of interesting things. I met one young man who is ‑‑ he can build these houses out of mud, and he goes around with kids in all these different places, and he teaches these young kids how to make their own little houses.

And there are people working with seeds, and they're teaching ‑‑ in Aspen, there's a group that will come to your house and help you plant a garden in your backyard with specific plants that are good for this area.

And there are all kinds of movements in that direction because there is great fear about famine, and especially with the oil running out, unless we can find some other solution to be able to transport goods.

So there are so many people that are moving towards finding alternatives and going back to a community‑based way of being. And I think that's beautiful because it's putting them in touch again with the earth. How many people even know how to grow a plant? [laughs]

Kelly: Yeah.

Sharron: We've lost touch, and as the Q'ero say, we have to come back to the earth.

Kelly: Yeah. Well, we also have to choose, you know, are we going to buy into the doom and gloom, or believe that our visions in our prayers, like the Shamans do, that they actually have an impact, if they can ‑‑

Rose: Of course they if they have an impact. [laughs]

Kelly: And hold the higher vision. People watch TV and read the news, and don't visualize or hold the vision of what they'd like to see happen.

Sharron: Well, that's right, and that's why we're doing the work we're doing, and making the film to provide an alternative perspective on these changing times. [Intermission]

Kelly: Yeah, one of the subjects that came up in your film too were the three worlds.

Sharron: Yes.

Kelly: Could you talk a little bit about that?

Sharron: OK.

Kelly: Because it's also throughout all...

Sharron: Traditions, yes.

Kelly: So many ancient cultures talk about the three worlds. And I'd love you to elaborate on that.

Sharron: Yes. So there is the lower world. That's inside ‑‑ visualize that as kind of inside of the earth, but it's also kind of the subconscious. It's the area ‑‑ and it's also really, in some way, in some tradition it would be the place of the feminine, the place from which birth arises. Then there is the world that we live in. And then there is the upper world, they're the luminous realms. So we actually, in that homo‑luminous, we will be fully living in all three realms and we have the ability to live in all three realms.

These three realms; all interact with us whether we know it or not; regardless of how fearful people are, you know, if they were brought up in the Catholic tradition, they believe in Guardian Angels. And it's time for us to call on... they are in the upper realms, just like the Bodhisattvas of the Tibetan tradition. These beings are just they're waiting for us to remember that they are there, and they're waiting to help us.

That's part of the message of the homo‑luminous and the Pachacuti that we have to weed out all the stuff from the subconscious and let that bubble up, and then plant our feet firmly on the earth, but yet our head in the stars, and be able to be this link between all these three worlds. And I think that that's another piece of how to move forward.

Kelly: Yeah, having more faith in the upper worlds.

Rose: Oh, definitely. Well, we were also doing the film we've been working on for over a year on death and the afterlife. And so we had the privilege of interviewing Dannion Brinkley, and Robert Thurman, and Ponlop Rinpoche, and Alberto and...

Kelly: You're busy.

Rose: Many, many more. And a beautiful woman we interviewed last week about ‑‑ her name is Renate Dollinger, and she is a famous painter of the Shtetls of Russia. She has had an amazing life. She was born in Germany in '24, and her father had a mill. He was murdered by the Nazis, and she and her mother went to a city and ran a boarding house for women. Then her mother put her on the Kindertransport to get out of Germany. While she was in London a few years later, she was singing in a cafe, and this man appeared and knew her name, knew everything about her. He said that he was her guardian angel, and told her that her mother had died in Auschwitz, and told her about her whole life that was going to be moving forward.

Kelly: Wow!

Sharron: Later in her life, she was a painter, and she received through visionary experience a whole series of 39 paintings of the Shtetl from her former life. They are so realistic, they are so true. Then she spoke about her husband's death, and how he was contacting her from the other side. He would like move things around in the house. So it was amazing to speak to all of these people who really have a perspective on the continuity of consciousness that flows through life, through death, through dreams, through different states of consciousness, and understanding that in reality there is no death. It's just a change of one state to another.

When I was contemplating the Four Ages of the Hindu and the Alchemical tradition, in the Golden Age, which was the First Age of Splendor where we are completely aligned. We are actually not even physical yet. We are the light, the Light of Divinity creating itself in forms. During that time they say there is no death. Well, what does that mean?

Well, if you were born into a world where you were taught that there wasn't such a thing as death, that there were just these transitions from state to state, then there would be no fear. We were born into a world where there is such extreme fear of death. That's the other thing. That's the other promise of this time.

Kelly: Yeah, that's a great message.

Sharron: Yes.

Kelly: I never thought of it that way. That because we believe that death is the end, there is a huge amount of fear around it.

Sharron: Yeah, I know. In the traditional societies, they don't believe that. I mean look at the Tibetans, there's this whole reincarnation. Even in Kabala it's the same, they believe that there is reincarnation.

Kelly: Well, and the Egyptians.

Sharron: Oh, yes. They were really into consciousness, yes.

Kelly: Yeah. Now, getting back to the Galactic Alignment though, and the Egyptians. You've studied them extensively.

Sharron: Oh, yes.

Kelly: What message do the ancient Egyptians have for us, regarding this alignment happening in 2012?

Sharron: Well, it relates with the Zep Tepi, the First Time, the new cycle re‑emerging. From my own perspective, which I feel that there's this incredible connection between the Egyptian and the Kabalistic tradition, I actually feel that those teachings came out of Egypt and were preserved through the Hebrew tradition. So my perspective on the Galactic Alignment, which really came to me in meditating on the symbols of the Tree of Life, is that what's going to happen is the earth, which represents in the Tree of Life is [unintelligible 31:25], and the feminine is going to align with the Heart, the Sun which is the Heart, which represents beauty, and the Center of the Galaxy, which is the Third Eye.

When that happens, then you know how we think of energy coming down? In one tradition we think of the energy coming down from father, sky, down, and then up from... then in another we think of it coming from up the kundalini, up from the earth.

Well, to me the promise of the Galactic Alignment on an inner level, because "as above, so below." So if the center of the galaxy is aligning with the Sun and the Earth, then on an inner level this is happening within our own bodies.

Kelly: Oh, that's beautiful!

Sharron: So the promise of it is that it's not about us leaving, ascending off, rapturing off. The true shift will come when we bring the energy from the center of the galaxy, that cosmic consciousness of the higher levels down, and then the energy of the lower realm, of the feminine earth, up, and they meet in the heart.

Kelly: So it's the kundalini rising from the center of the earth.

Sharron: Yes. Yes, and then they meet in the heart. What happens is that there is amazing quickening, and the knots of the heart are opened. From that heart‑centered perspective, the new world, the new way of being in the world will emerge. That's my perspective.

Kelly: That's beautiful. I feel the quickening happening now.

Sharron: Oh, yes.

Kelly: In fact that's what I've been calling it, because I have my background is Christianity, and I just have that concept.

Sharron: Yes, yes.

Kelly: Certainly, I've been waiting for it. I remember when the Harmonic Convergence happened. I was on top of a mountain in Sedona, Arizona, and it was gorgeous. We stayed up there all night and watched the sunrise. We meditated, and it was beautiful. But in terms of the build‑up to it, it was in a way personally for me, kind of non‑event. I mean, I expected... There was so much talk about it, that I expected something miraculous to happen. [laughter]

Kelly: I'm wondering if people are expecting that again with this Galactic Alignment. Is it going to be a non‑event? Is it going to be very subtle? What do you expect?

Sharron: Well, as Alberto Villoldo says in "2012 The Odyssey" he says, "It is going to be a non‑event, because it's happening." It's happening now. It's happening in you, it's happening in me. It's happening in everyone. That moment of awakening, it's happened.

Kelly: It's happening, yes, because we're feeling it even though the actual alignment hasn't occurred yet. I do think a lot of people are feeling it. It's like astrology. I can feel things before, if somebody does my chart and tells me "This is happening." I usually feel it before it happens.

Sharron: Oh, definitely, yes. I was in college, I went to college in '66, so I was in Washington, D.C. during the whole Vietnam, that period. Even at that point, of course because I'm a child of that time, that's when a lot of us were really opened up to the luminous realms, the concepts of the luminous realms, and Yoga, and all of that. I really did have visions of the future, of this time, and the hardships and the possibilities. I think that Daniel Pinchbeck talks about how it's time for us, the children of the '60s to really move forward, to really stand up, and actualize the dreams that we had for the planet at that point. That the young people really need teachers now, and there's so many of us that...

Kelly: The elders.

Sharron: Yeah. It's time for us to acknowledge that we are the elders. Many of us have spent at least 30 years now deeply involved with Yoga and meditation, and Shamanism.

Host: Waiting, wanting.

Sharron: And we have experiential knowledge.

Kelly: Yeah.

Sharron: It's not just that we've read these things, we have experienced these. And there's nothing like direct experience, that's true knowing.

Kelly: Yeah.

Sharron: And so it's time that we... That's why Jay and I have started these conferences, and they're doing what we're doing because they're hungry. They're so hungry, the young people. I was talking to a friend who told me that there was a whole new group, like the Cyberpunks, and the Hipsters they're called. Well, they're getting really interested in 2012, and in ways to transform the planet into a garden. You know? It's their world.

Kelly: It's their world.

Sharron: It's their world. I mean it's our world, and it's our job, it's our responsibility to find some way to give them a world that is not completely dying. You know?

Kelly: Yeah, yeah. How do you think people should prepare now? If you had to boil it all down to a message.

Sharron: OK, here we go. The first thing is very simple, go into your breath. Go into your heart and focus on your breath. You know the breath is the first mantra. The breath is how you still your thoughts. So whenever you feel fear, because it's coming at us... many people are talking about how they get these free‑floating anxiety attacks now, because of the nature of what's going on. And always, in every tradition they tell you, go in, feel your heartbeat, listen to your breath, relax, let your thoughts dissolve, feel your body, really go into your body, release all those negative thoughts. That's part of the Tantric tradition, that's what it's about. To see these negative thoughts as external demons, and you want to transform them, because they're all energy.

And realize that it's all energy coming at you, and you can choose. You really have the power within you to choose, and to actualize what's in your deepest, deepest longings for the world, and for your family, and for all of those to come. So, I always go there. I think that the practice of Yoga... there are many practices from all these traditions that were preserved for this specific time.

Yoga... I was feeling, because I'm so privy to all the horror going on, I was feeling extremely tense. And it was starting to give me headaches in effect, very negatively. And then I just said, "OK." And I spent the last five days doing two hours of really deep, very restful Yoga. And the headaches are gone, and the tension is gone. And so we have all these tools, we just really need to use them.

Kelly: Yeah. A spiritual practice, or relaxation practice... of any kind.

Sharron: That's really important now. And to the other ones that go into nature. Go sit by the ocean, sit by a stream, look at the trees, reconnect. Nature wants to come back. And I feel that we have, because I've trained in the Tibetan tradition in which there's all these teachings about how to reconnect with nature, how to speak with the plants. I believe we have the capacity, if we turn our minds there instead of watching all this horror, and participating in all this horror. We have the capacity to regrow the Earth and clean the environment. It's within us. Jose Arguelles speaks about that too.

Kelly: Well, this is why I'm doing a lot of shows on 2012, because most of the experts in the field see the higher vision. And I think it's so important that we all learn to hold that higher vision.

Sharron: We're going to be called upon to become healers. Because sometimes we see this world, and we've been told by different people about their vision, that the world is going to be a place where we're not going to have all the modern conveniences. People say, "in the future we're not even going to have film. So what are you going to do?"

Kelly: Yeah. We have in the collective all these images of 1984, and Blade Runner, and ...

Sharron: Well, those things are happening. England is pervaded by cameras. It's insane. London has so many cameras.

Kelly: Cameras on every corner.

Sharron: Even per person... more than the people. But when they say, "Well, what do you see? If you saw yourself in this world where there wasn't the computer anymore, and you didn't have this profession of film making." And what I see is that I'd go back to... I studied healing for years. And what a nice profession, to be able to help people. I think we're all going to be called upon through this chaos, and through the changes, to find that place of healing within ourselves. The place in which we really, through our true compassion, help other people. We're going to all have to band together, and work together to find our way out of the situations that we're in now. I think that's a great opportunity. I can't think of a nicer profession, if you call it profession.

Kelly: Well, I feel it happening. If we didn't have this crisis going on because... I love that, Ilya Prigogine "Order Out Of Chaos", that basically we're moving to a higher order. But sometimes we need to get kicked in the butt, to move forward.

Sharron: Oh yes. It always goes like that. That woman from CNN she sang, "Well, can the Human Race survive?" You know? And I said, "Wait a minute."

Kelly: Yeah. Of course we can.

Sharron: Of course we can. We survived the Black Death. We survived revolutions. We've survived all kinds of difficult... just read history. Read your history book, you'll see how much we have survived.

Kelly: Will the media survive, that's the real question. [laughs]

Sharron: Yeah.

Host: Maybe they'll be out of a job. [laughs]

Sharron: That's very good. [laughter]

Kelly: Maybe that's why they're so scared.

Sharron: It's true, it's true.

Kelly: Hey Sharron, this has been wonderful talking with you.

Sharron: Oh, what a pleasure.

Host: You've got a couple of great websites.

Sharron: The main one is SacredMysteries.com.

Kelly: And people can order your videos online? I highly recommend them.

Sharron: Oh yes. And we're starting in January, a school of Sacred Mysteries, online school. And that's going to be really amazing.

Kelly: Oh, how's that going to work?

Sharron: Well, it's a membership, very inexpensive. And then they'll have access to, for example the full interview with Jose Arguelles. Different classes we're going to have online, about these same traditions and the days leading up to 2012, and meditation, and all of the yummy things. [laughs]

Kelly: Well Sharron, thanks so much.

Sharron: You're very welcome.

Kelly: You take care.

Sharron: Bye.

Kelly: Bye. Again, Sharron's website is www.SacredMysteries.com. Hey everybody, thanks for listening. Until next time, be well.